12 years later and I am still disgusted by my first boyfriend. I feel guilty for this, but I look at him as a mistake.

I'm glad that you at least are proof that I communicated something to someone.

However, this was not really my point: "Your point seems to be: It is rational for men to hate women because men did all the work."

In fact, there's a part I implicitly say this: * All they do (SorryForThisOpinion's sentiments) is to suggest why misogyny wasn't really rationally justified (the counter of which I never expressed)* The main point here being that I never expressed any sentiments against the view that misogyny wasn't rationally justified.

My point here would be that there is no good reason to expect that misogyny should have been absent give the circumstances that prevailed in those times (circumstances that were not really the result of the choices of any one single gender in particular) and the high possibility that most people were not really rational.

" had women been the ones doing all the work then they'd have a justifiable reason for hating all men."

Similar to the correction above: Not that they'd have a justifiable reason for it, but that they'd very probably succumb to it, whether it be rationally justifiable or not.

"At one point it almost seems as if you make the argument that women in fact are behind the social structure that only allowed men to work, because wouldn't it be nice to be the gender that didn't have to work."

At what point exactly? The point I concede to making is that both women and men were behind the social structures that governed them for ages. Men cannot be blamed for it and neither can women, because they, for their own perceived benefits, chose the lifestyles that they did with respect to the other gender.

"I think you are not quite understanding what work means. Yes men traditionally would work in the fields or be the ones taking goods to market, but women still worked incredibly hard to maintain the home. On the frontier, life was more egalitarian and women did much of the same farming and hunting men did, far less of a division of labor there than in the cities"

Think even further back than this, to times when the two sexes had not started living together in families and communities and you'll perhaps understand me more. I'm speaking of pre-historic evolutionary eras. Start from there and think of why and how communities may have arose to structure themselves as they were structured in historic times.

"misogyny flourished because of a social structure that told me they were superior to women"

Where did this social structure come from? How did it come to be?

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