After reading the "message men first" post, I had some things I thought I'd share.

Male attractiveness is like 20% looks and 80% grooming

Eehhh, I dont know about that. I would wager it is about 50/50, maybe 40/60. Having good genes that provide you with good symetry, tall height, good hair, the ability to grow a decent beard and a handsome face definitely counts more than just 20%. Male grooming is way more about maintenance and polishing natural features than about creating ones out of nowhere, like your 80% would suggest.

And I know what you are thinking. You have in mind the typical example of the impossibly unkempt, "dressed by his mom", "no haircut in 3 years" guy with WoW graphic tees that suddenly becomes an 8 out of 10 after hitting the gym for 6 months, renovating his wardrove and getting a semi decent haircut. Yeah, we've all seen the zyzz type come up. But those guys are not the rule. Just like the "nerdy loser and ugly girl that suddenly becomes a top model when she ditches the ponytail and the thick frame glasses", that kind of thing is incredibly uncommon at best.

A way more common situation you csn find is one of a guy that has regular haircuts every month, shaves (or keeps his beard tidy), has good hygiene habits, has a reasonably decent taste in clothes and although not an athlete, tries to go to the gym twice a week if he aint feeling too lazy. And those type of guys, the ones dancing on the 5 out of ten, 6 out of ten line, get waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy less messages and matches than the geneticslly gifted handsome guys in a disproportionate way, and by way less attractive women.

Source: I'm in the average category, have a friend in the top 20% category. He has been wearing the same outfit for 5 years, and has only been hitting the gym recently. Buuthe is handsome as fuck. We both use tinder and he gets about 20 times more matches than i do, by incredibly attractive women, who most of the times message him first.

If you think natural looks without grooming only constitutes for 20% of male attractiveness you either have some low standards or you are massively forgiving because in my area I cant get a date for the life of me and I've been told i'm a solid 7/10 by multiple people.

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