Hong Kong independence and Taiwan independence are just a form of political rhetoric to woo voters. Election candidate like to sensationalize these issue up to cheat some vote even though they know very well they cant deliver it.

Look at DPP of Taiwan, they now controlled the Parliament and Ms Tsai won the Presidential. But where is the Independence Referendum? Deep down we all know its a lie and I don't even want to talk about the two little kids in Hong Kong.

"Self-Determination" is another new slogan after the slogan "Independence" failed. Nobody know what it mean? Almost everyone agree that Hong Kong received more autonomy as compare to her colonial past. If those politicians think its not enough than please make it clear what kind of power they want.

They believe in battering everyone into their authoritarian, oppressive box where they enrich themselves and fuck everyone else.

Only Hong Kong politicians and tycoons are harming Hong Kongers, I suggest they need to target the real culprit.