MGSV: TPP Stretching is Important [Gif]

There's plenty more i could say but with the tone of your post i can tell you truly wouldnt care whether or not i made a good point, your mind is already made.

Look I'm going to write a bunch out here because I want to reach out to you. I hope you read it. I am not trying to argue with you, I just see the same symptoms in you as so many other men on here who think their lot is so much worse than females and I think overall, that's wrong. Sure we have our fair share of problems and they get a lot less attention than women's, but I think the tradeoff is that theirs are much worse and I'd rather have less attention to our smaller problems than actually have bigger ones. Well, I'd rather neither sex have any problems but hey, this is the world we live in. So...

Im in the gym 1.5 hours 6x a week to keep in shape.

If you're doing this solely for women, and not for the general purpose of being a strong person in good condition, then obviously you're going to make it a huge chore and feel aggrieved by the illusory need for it as a method of making yourself an attractive mate. As a famous strength coach once said "Exercise is not something we do to fix a problem, exercise is something without which problems occur in the human body". Make it a ritual, and not for women, but for yourself. The added benefit is that you make yourself more attractive and that you have better stamina for sex. You're generally more capable in life when you're stronger.

as well as lucky with genetics

That swings both ways. More so for women though - they are judged much more on their looks than men are, so I wouldn't bring this up as some kind of argument for male vs female... genetic luck is a factor for every human being ever born.

as i dont have the privilege of being able to use makeup to hide my genetic flaws, even if it is a hassle

It's not just a hassle; they have to do extra work to undo all the damage that shit does to their skin. They spend time applying it, removing it, and then aftercare for their skin. They have to know how to apply it, what kind with what kind of clothes, and so on. Yes they can hide genetic flaws but the important difference is, since men don't (usually) use it, we are forced to present a more natural version of ourselves. THIS IS LIBERTY. Yes you SAY you'd prefer to have the choice to hide flaws with the added inconvenience but really, it's better not to have the choice in the first place. Accept me for what I really look like in the first instant. With makeup, girls are in an arms race; how many choose not to wear it? Very few, because they are at a huge disadvantage, and they'll never all agree not to wear it. We're LUCKY that women for the most part don't want guys all super dolled up.

Also, as a man we have to take initiative on any social interaction when it comes to dating.

Ding ding ding. I think I've really found what you're most aggrieved about. I sense you have a sense of social anxiety about this, based purely on instinct from reading your misguided post (correct me if im wrong). I don't think you have any female friends, otherwise you'd have a much more wholesome perspective from their side of the fence on how they think, how they feel and what kind of pressures they face every single day.

I think you are framing the social dynamic where men have to take the initiative in this really magnified 'pressure's on us' kind of way, which I see in many similar posts on reddit from males who never understood that they place an unnecessary burden on themselves.

Females can just sit back and enjoy the ride in social situations.

Granted. And in a host of situations, this is a plus, especially for attractive girls. They get a revolving door of suitors to choose from. But average girls? Yeah they have to WAIT AROUND and wait for a guy to approach them because the dynamic dictates they can't go out and grab what they like. Some girls do, but many guys also find that offputting or desperate. Instead of approaching the situation like you are, think about it like this: it's socially acceptable for you to see or meet a girl you really like and go after her. For women, they have to either send subtle clues or find some other less than direct way to make their interest known. I'd feel infuriated if I really liked some guy and I couldn't just go and tell him. For whatever reason, the dynamic is like that and I'd much rather have the freedom to pursue and give myself a chance, even if its a small one, at any girl I see, than leave it to chance or circumstance whether that guy will find me.

Finally, I'm going to tell you that I have fat friends, slobby friends, rich and poor friends, I have family members who are all shapes and sizes and body types with varying degrees of physical attractiveness and you are dumbing down what constitutes the general quality of "attractiveness" (which is holistic, not just physical looks) to some very basic things. You are missing a lot.

I see plenty of fat guys with hot wives. I see PLENTY of normal looking guys, not super muscular, not super handsome, with beautiful wives. I think you need to first get over your social anxiety and stop thinking there's this formula of needing to have muscles, natural handsomeness and a certain personality to succeed with women. I think it's this very thinking more than ANY physical traits you have or lack that is producing this negative thinking in you, resulting in you believing men have it harder.

We don't. I keep an open mind about anything, but I'm a man and I cannot agree with you on this based on what you have argued. The only point that you have made is that men chase women in general, and you'd prefer it to be the opposite. When you are confident in yourself, when you open your social circles up to women and actually BEFRIEND them instead of just thinking they are vehicles for sex or romantic relationships, you will widen your perspective and enrich your life. And when you befriend a woman and she sees all the GREAT QUALITIES you have that cannot be shown in a 5 minute conversation in a night club or fitness centre, that is when you become truly attractive.

Don't think so narrowly. If the girl you're friends with but you want to go further with doesn't feel the same way, stay friends with her. Don't be a doormat for her, but have a twoway friendship and enjoy her company. Listen to her - appreciate a female perspective in her life. The more female friends you have, the more comfortable you are around them, the more you get where they come from, and I'll tell you the "hottest" girls I've ever pulled were all friends or at least people I had to let to get to know me first before being able to "pull" them. The kinds of girls I've picked up at nightclubs have never been the high quality, "I want to marry this girl kind", because to find that in such a short and vacuous interaction is just another roll of the dice - like plucking a random girl off the street and wondering if she has the qualities to be your girlfriend. You find those qualities when you spend a bit of time with a person.

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