and the child: (Gen. Rabbah 53:13) He also placed the child on her shoulder, because Sarah had cast an evil eye upon him, and he was seized by a fever so that he could not walk on his feet. You are good at providing half quotes. The source you quote clearly says that Ishmael was 27 at the time and that the reason hagar had to support him was because of a fever. So the rabbis clearly address your criticism. Regardless of how you interpret the story, it is clear that your assertion that the story must be corrupt because only a baby would be placed on her shoulder is false. Genesis rabbah is over 2000 years old. It then goes on to say almost exactly what I said about him being weak and her having to put him under the bush for shade. In this case it was from his fever, rather than just the heat of the desert, but either way, it is the same result. Ishmael was a weak 27 year old, he needed his mommy to support him, and when he was too weak to go on, she helped him under a bush so at least he would be out of the sun. Read it for yourself. וישכם אברהם בבקר ויקח לחם וחמת מים ויתן אל הגר ביתו של אבינו אברהם ותרנים היו שנאמר וישכם אברהם בבקר ויתן אל הגר שכן דרך עבדים שיהיו ממלאים כדים על שכמם על שכמה ואת הילד בן כ"ז שנים ואת אמרת שם על שכמה אלא מלמד שהכניסה בו [שרה] עין רעה ונכנסה בו חמה ואכאבית תדע לך שכן דכתיב ויכלו המים מן החמת שכן דרך החולה להיות שותה הרבה ובכל שעה ותשלך את הילד תחת אחד השיחם Oh, so you have to speak Hebrew to become a Jew? Didn't know that. Where did I say that? Is this some more of your taqiya? Lying to win an argument? See, even your Rabbi's suck at making up excuses. I'm telling you, your scribes should've removed that story all together. It isn't an excuse. It is what happened. And if you want to talk about BS that should have been left out, how about all that nonsense about mohamed flying to Jerusalem. What a load of garbage. How gullible does someone have to be to believe that? Hey, Gabriel just gave me a message. He said you are wasting your life following a false religion. I am just as credible as mohamed, so I guess you have to believe me. Gullible. Great nation, blessed nation, not really different. Why don't you address what great nation did Ismael have? Is Pagan Idol worshipers a great nation to God? Is that what he promised Ismael? That his nation will be Idol worshipers, or that they would number the amount of stars in the sky and be a great nation? Muhammad was the one who made Ismael's nation great by making them worship the one true God. I think that fit's the description more then the crap you're saying. But I understand if it's hard to accept, you Jews are racist so it's fine. On the other hand, we Muslims accept you Jews, accept Christians, and accept all your Prophets, from Noah to Jesus. Great is the same as blessed? "I had a great burger" means it was a blessed burger? Just more of your lies. Also, the word used in the verse is גדול. It is used to describe things that are large. It certainly does not mean blessed. But I guess when your entire faith is a pack of lies, you have no problem making up more to support your fantasies of self-aggrandizement. And you don't see the irony of saying "you Jews are racist?" Make generalizations. All it proves is that you are a racist swine. We are that great nation that number the amount of stars in the sky. While you stay at your standstill not growing at all. Superiority complex much? I understand it though. When you know everything you believe is a lie, you have to get extra defensive about it and try to project a superior self-image. Your psychology is childishly obvious. Let's discuss then. I'm sure I've read countless times in your scripture of Prophets engaging in war. Or does that not matter because they're Jews. The second it's an Arab from Ismael that's doing the war, your racism comes out. Hide it a little better. And why you don't you quote me the millions he has killed? Or are you making stuff up like your scribes did? You would've been perfect back then to make all the nice changes you wanted to make Ismael look bad. Again playing the victim "you're a racist" card? Do you ever get tired of it? The difference is that the prophets in the bible were actually prophets. They were carrying out G-d's will and most of the time, they were repelling invading forces of Philistines and other invaders. That is very different than the conquest of mohamed where he murdered, raped, and pillaged all for his own personal glorification. He had no mission from G-d, just a sociopath's need to murder and dominate. I need to quote you the millions who have died because of him? Look at syria, just the most recent example of the "glory" islam has brought to the world. Then quote me one passage from Talmud about the God's Abraham's nation worshiped. I would like a quote please. נסביה ומסריה לנמרוד. אמר לו: נסגוד לנורא! אמר לו אברהם: ונסגוד למיא, דמטפין נורא. אמר לו נמרוד: נסגוד למיא! אמר לו: אם כן נסגוד לעננא, דטעין מיא. אמר לו: נסגוד לעננא! אמר לו: אם כן נסגוד לרוחא, דמבדר עננא. אמר לו: נסגוד לרוחא! אמר לו: ונסגוד לבר אינשא, דסביל רוחא. Pretty clear, wouldn't you say? You're throwing out so much red herrings to get off topic. I can claim they're false because your book was written scribes, not Moses. Just like how his funeral is written in your book, did Moses write about his funeral while he was dead? Our book is direct revelation from God. We know who compiled it, who gave it to us, we have direct sources leading up to the life of Muhammad. You on the other hand, have a book you don't know who wrote. Just like your own scripture says: Moses either wrote the last few lines as prophecy for after he would die, or he and G-d instructed his disciple to finish those lines after he ascended the mountain where he would die. It is immaterial because the Torah existed before all the events it described. The question is not who made up the last few lines, the question is who had the privilege of putting them on the parchment? The words predate creation. It is just unknown who G-d instructed to put those last few words on the paper. Your "revelation" is just a bunch of BS from a schizophrenic sociopath who heard voices, like Bundy and Dahmer. The only difference is that he managed to convince enough fools that he was for real. Speaks pretty lowly of those who fell for his lies. They must not have been all that smart. That quote you keep harping on was a rebuke for the current scribes, not for Moses who wrote down the Torah. Not to mention that the fact that the rebuke is in there speaks to the veracity of the document. That they recorded the rebuke to remain honest, shows that they recorded things honestly. Otherwise, they would have left out the rebuke. Again, you fail the test of logic. No surprises. I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee; and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto My words which he shall speak in My name, I will require it of him. Are you really this dumb? G-d is giving instructions for all future prophets. He is saying that there will come times int he future when prophets will speak in His name (such as Samuel, Jeremiah, Micah, and the other prophets) and to listen to them. And then He warns that those who claim to speak as a prophet but who don't have the authority of G-d will be punished. Where is the Prophet that was raised from the brethren of the Israelite's, the Ismaelite's? Who was a Prophet and Statesmen like Moses was from the Ismaelites? Who forced emigration to Medina like Moses did to Median? Who brought down a new Law like the Laws Moses was given? Where is this Prophet your scripture speaks about? Isn't God telling you to follow him, that he will require it from you? Hmmm, seems like another requirement you Jews don't care about. The prophets are the ones I mentioned, like Samuel, Jeremiah, Obadiah, Jonah, and the others. It isn't referring to any one specific prophet and certainly not mohamed, because he was not a prophet. He never heard a single word from G-d in his life. Your own scripture says she was his wife. Get your crap together, your all over the place. He was a legitimate son like your scripture continuously says. All throughout your scripture Ismael is referred to as Son. Not a wife, but to be as a wife. Sarah couldn't conceive, so she gave him a stand in to do the duties of a wife. She was a concubine maidservant. It is an important distinction. Her roles was to provide a son in Sarah's place, not to be a wife. Fortunately, once Abraham removed the taint of idolatry from himself by passing it on to ishmael G-d allowed Sarah to conceive his true spiritual heir, Isaac. Why would he be referring to Isaac? The only son was Ismael for a long time before Isaac was. Why would God use the term son for Ismael all throughout your scripture, and then here even say thy only son, but you Jews think it's Isaac? How does that make sense, when was Isaac the only son? Why would God say only son? Why didn't he say favorite son if Isaac was even his favorite? Why all the confusion? Because your scribes changed the story, and they forgot to change that part. Just like the Jews who acknowledge the fact that Ismael was the sacrifice and became Muslim. Because Isaac was the only son of his mother and the heir to the Abrahamic faith. The scripture also refers to Isaac as his son over and over again. Your "proof" is meaningless. actually, G-d did say favorite son sort of. If you read the verse you would know. G-d said "take your son, your only one, the one that you love, Isaac."

Utter nonsense and trash ;)