I gave a stupid response to a stupid response.

Instead of giving stupid reactionary responses how about formulating a halfway decent critique and analysis? Unlike conservative subs, we are here to discuss and learn. We are not here to circlejerk.

What's the difference between a bread maker and the bread maker that owns a bread factory?

A bread maker at a factory works to survive and no longer sees himself in the product he is making. He himself is just a part of that machine that produces the bread. Under socialism, the bread maker works in a democratic workplace environment and at his complete free will. So he is equal owner to the place just like everyone else. This makes him more connected with the workplace and he feels more fulfilled in his life.

No one thinks like this. If given the choice, the bread maker would want to go have fun rather than make bread.

Oh I like this response because it is a misconception of how humans operate. For one, are you admitting that if we "let" people do what they want that no work will be done? Admitting that we need money to coercive people to do shitty jobs?

Anyways, by getting rid of money, gov't and a class system people will be free to explore their potentialities. Work will still need to be done and that will get decided through a democratic process. The best part about this is that we can use all the technology in the world to do all the dirty jobs. Also, many of the dirty jobs that exist today exist because of capitalism and not because of human nature.

Efficiency is a direct result of free market competition under capitalism. Without profit incentive there's no reason to be efficient.

Sure there are efficient models under capitalism but it has failed short. Poverty is not efficient. Housing shortages is not efficient. In fact, many gov't around the world have used soviet style planning to operate things like healthcare and military because the soviet planning model is far more efficient than competition. But anyways, there is no such thing as a free market capitalism. It has never existed and never will.