Why would you presuppose that resurrection is possible?

Yes, because Molinism says "free choice by humans" which you twist to mean "determined by God" with no justification

... "no" justification? The paragraphs I've written to describe how I see the concepts of Molinism, and their implications, need any justification other than "this is how I what I read in that setup" ? Did you need me to lead with "This is what I see in it..." or something? (I thought by me "not" citing it to someone else, it would be clear it is "my words" and interpretation of the concept you brought up.)

"Middle Knowledge" is counterfactuals and conditionals - 'if-then' statements. God knows all of them, all of the possibilities. He would know all possible "You" that could exist. The one that picks strawberry, the one that picks cherry, etc.

You agreed on one part with me, and said God picks the "specific circumstances" - this relates by the meaning of the words in literal text to 'the circumstances of reality are determined by God' for me.

God picks the one that you hypothetically (imaginary) 'would choose' strawberry, and lets that one be a part of reality. In fact, it is more than "Let" - he enforces it because he has picked all of the circumstances in reality. God saw the one that would have picked cherry, and he ruled that one out during selection (creation / causation). The you that does the specific chosen path is the only one God has created - the rest all are left to the hypothetical.

Again, to make sure you know, these three paragraphs preceding this and anything after are meant in this discussion to show my justification for my interpretation of the setup established in "Molinism."

If God chose the circumstances leading to your birth, and not all of the other "Possible" ses1's in God's imagination, God has decided the script just like Shakespeare writing Romeo. "I see that ses1 would say 'this' in this situation, so I'm going to make the situation in which ses1 says 'this' happen." "I see that Romeo would say this below the balcony, so I'll write it so Romeo is below the balcony."

So, to bring this back if it is your issue, my "justification" is that "I" - the writer of this sentence - see no difference in determinism. If you have anything to say beyond "That's not Molinism" and want to address the words of my actual post (instead of tangentially attacking me with claims I'm making statements about Molina's thought process)- great, we could have a discussion.

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