Oftentimes I find debates with atheists tiresome. The thinking involved often seems restrictive and I don't know, truth is, I can see the wind blow and shit, but it never really tells me anything beyond the ohysical comings and goings... At the very least, the conversation ends up a stalemate. It may not be your beliefs, but your insistence that the conversation result in definite answers... Little known fact (like how I just kinda stated that the following is a fact? I may possibly argue until I stand vindicated in the assertion, or we could choose not belabor the wording and move on): to believe that there actually are definitive answers is an assumption in and of itself. And while you could readily employ empiricism to discover those things which have already happened, and yet one would hope that in a conversation between two living, breathing people, the conjurings of the mind that (regardless of where one ultimately winds up in the discussion over free will) supposedly was built to carry them into the future should never be dismissed so easily, if only that the utility of undefined, paradoxical concepts is that it allows the mind to travel that much further. Did you know that before the words that one would use in order to gain superiority in argument were even formulated and learned, life was seen in a form that was pure and undistiled, and that everything that we would later claim to "know", was discerned vaguely through (... This is where we would branch off into the differences between senses, intuition, thinking, and feeling)?

The thing that I dislike about the atheists that I've met is that they often seem to be strongly against shifting into different gears... Honestly, sometimes I just don't want to talk about it, but even at my most entheusiastic, I just get annoyed with having to go over every sticking point, when any kind of charitable understanding of what was being said would make things pretty clear... At which point trying to adapt and relate leaves me wondering whether or not the use of slang will result in a shit storm... FUCK THAT!