If a "Forever Alone"/"Incel" type man is unable to attract women, and TRP/PUA is manipulative garbage. How is this man supposed to get laid?

I can only tell you what worked for me, as a regular blue pill contributer. It won't work for everyone, and it won't work on everyone, nor should it.

I. Study body language. Example: If her huge smile hasn't changed at all in the past few minutes, she's enduring you. If she's biting her lower lip and lowering/averting her eyes for a little bit, then suddenly looking up at you? Eyeball tag is usually a good sign. Especially if her smiles lift her cheeks.

II. Don't be desperate. Sex with you has value. Anyone who finally gets you, should feel like they're getting something out of the deal.

At the same time, be realistic. Odds are, you don't know what you're doing. Learn how to flirt, without expecting anything out of it, beyond learning how to feel out someone's level of attraction/intentions, without making them any more uncomfortable than they want to be.

This will be incredibly useful information - used properly, it's a system designed to avoid causing anyone to lose face.

III. Appearance counts. Even among people who place a higher value on other traits, they're still going to notice what you look like. Study fashion. Not generic fashion tips, either. You need to know what flatters you. Study public speaking. A good voice is underrated. Eliminate every "uh..." or "um" from your vocabulary. They'll cost you. Work out. It's not vital that you obsess, but the energy boost will help.

IV. That Dark Triad thing? Sure, it works. But what the internet seems to miss is that you don't need to be an actual sociopath, unless you're trying to date one. Some people play evil for fun. It's a really popular social mask, and it's not hard to find an appreciative audience/collaborators, if you're doing it right.

V. Be a good interviewer. Lots of people have some really good stories to tell, if you give them a chance. Ask open-ended questions. Even when you're speaking, be an active participant. Nod your head to encourage them to continue - almost everyone needs some sign it's okay. Or, if you're playing super evil, and your conversational partner is on board, you can just give an intense stare. A little minimalism goes a long way.

Also, there are a lot of people out there, looking to share their knowledge with someone. Even when they're wrong, and don't like being corrected, you're still learning their perspective. You never know when that knowledge or understanding will come in handy.

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VI. Study for fun. Hobbies make you more interesting, teach you some discipline/creativity, and there are people who would kill for a good conversation.

VII. Make friends with her friends. If you automatically dismiss a woman's friends as beta orbiters getting in the way of your pornographic fantasies, the odds are good you just outed yourself as an idiot who only thinks with their dick.

VIII. If there's actually a connection, and you don't know what to do, because you're new to all of this? Follow her lead. Not like a complete shadow, because that's creepy, but some mirroring is natural when two people are pairing off.

IX. You did study human anatomy, I hope? Sex fantasies? Nancy Friday can help you with the fantasies. A book of massage will also help you. Hopefully, you already understand something about pacing, and creating anticipation. And dirty jokes. And when to be quiet and just explore the moment together.

Also, blue balls are real. So are blue walls for women. How you guys negotiate all of that is up to you, but don't use it as a pressure tactic, because masturbation cures it too. (Also, whatever else you two can come up with together, that leads to an orgasm. I'm sure the internet can help.)

X. Use protection. Trim your nails before fingering. The genitals are way more sensitive than you think, so be careful unless she's into pain. Don't be afraid to get repetitive if it's working for her, but not so repetitive that she loses sensation - keep an eye on her reactions. Make sure she sees/hears your reactions too.

Think of it as hot/cold. It just leads to better sex all around.

If she stops giving any reactions at all, curls up in the fetal position while shaking, or speaks in a distant emotionless monotone, stop immediately, and check in with her.

Some people may not be ready yet. You can always have sex later.

So, back to having sex - the more you desperate you are for your penis to get hard, the softer it will remain. Breathe deep, relax, and allow yourself to experience the sensations.

If you guys are going to try anything freaky, make sure you have a safe word, know each other's soft limits (what you have a hard time with, but hope you can be talked into) and hard limits (Full stop don't even try.) Don't fuck around with things like breathplay when you're new to all of this. Make sure there's aftercare. Do either of you snore? Are there blankets and pillows for everyone, or are you planning on fighting for them?

Obviously, this isn't everything, but it should cover the basics.

To other blues: Anything I missed?

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