[Libertarian Socialists] How is what you propose in any way libertarian?

You (generally) advocate for:

  1. Revolution, an act in which one section of the populace violently enforces it's will over another

You're a Marxist. Why are you insinuating that you don't advocate the same thing? You know that the bourgeois state and their capitalist mode of production is exploitation and slavery. Property is theft.

  1. Suppression of counterrevolution and reaction, in the form of militias and the general intolerance of bigotry, hate speech, etc.

Being intolerant of intolerance is not a moral dilemma. It's self defense.

I'd rather not see a repeat of fascist uprisings and an a society so liberal that they dont know when to stand up and fight for liberty.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

—Martin Niemöller

  1. Democracy, a system in which one is subservient to all others, having to act in the way their society deems instead...

That's what we already do! Our norms, values, and beliefs are engrained in our conditioning and socialization. Deviance is met with sanctions. There are taboos, and mores that are cultural custom before nation states, before democracy. We self regulate. We do already to a large degree without the neccessity of law, and regulatory institutions.

Eg. I dont dumb my garbage in the lake. Not because of fear of punishment, but because I think it's wrong.

Eg. People don't not commit because they are worried about the punishments. Most are crimes of passion.

The social is the keeper.

And you already know the affects that bourgeois values have on society; false consciousness, pecuniary emulation, etc.

Advocating these things, how can you honestly say that you're "against authoritarianism?"

Because we are. And you know damn well why.

Also, Leninism is a perversion of Marx.

;)

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