Orcs Must Die

Excellent, we absolutely agree that MOBAs and SRPGs are not the same thing.

Except we don't. You identify SRPGs as MOBAs because the two genres share non-genre specific traits. You could as easily say that Def Jam: Fight For New York is a MOBA, as it also features two players controlling one hero each with RPG stat elements which fight eachother in an arena. We agree on nothing, because you choose to redefine genres based on shared cross-genre traits when existing definitions serve the purpose perfectly.

This bit was nonsensical

So I wrote that unique elements are the only ones that function to define genres, and you say that's nonsensical with no justification? There is literally no other way to define anything than by the traits it possesses that others lack. If you define a chair as something made of wood, but not as something made to be sat upon, that is nonsensical. If you define an omelet as something cooked in a frying pan, but not as an egg dish that is folded to enclose its contents, that is nonsensical. Many things are made of wood that are not chairs. Many things are cooked in a frying pan that are not omelets. And that is how you define MOBAs, by traits that are non-unique to the genre.

you are engaging in this discussion looking for a winner

I'm not looking for a winner. I didn't have to prove anything because you were arguing against the universally accepted definitions of the genres. You failed to prove why your strange beliefs better define MOBAs or SRPGs than the definitions that I, and almost every other person who knows about them, agree upon. You failed to prove why non-genre specific traits are actually what defines a genre. All you did was make up names for things that already had names, and pretend your names were the right ones. To quote Marlo Stanfield, "You want it to be one way. But it's the other."

It's a mimosa but with apples. I'm sorry that gives you no actual information!

I wrote that you were calling a drink made of apple juice and champagne a mimosa. But just now you wrote "a mimosa but with apples". You took my metaphor about calling something by a name that doesn't reflect its necessary components, and you straw-manned the heck out of it. Shine on, you crazy diamond.

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