/r/asianamerican Relationships Discussion - September 07, 2015

Have you lived outside the U.S. before?

If you want to, do it. It would probably be great. But I would not travel expecting to get a relationship out of it.

I mean, living abroad is already a lot. Even mundane errands like buying AAA batteries can become a whole afternoon's odyssey. The language barrier is isolating. Cultural customs, etiquette, food, transportation, bathroom habits, etc., all need to be relearned.

But okay, you've probably heard all that. So I'll just share my own dating experiences as a mixed American living outside the U.S.

I've lived in Holland and Indonesia. I can kind of relate to your situation in the sense that before I moved to Jakarta, I was pretty psyched about the idea of blending in with everyone else. In the U.S., I resent being fetishized for being Asian, and I looked forward to being in an Asian country where that would be a non-issue.

Well, it didn't work like that. To start with, Indonesian dating norms are very different from American norms. A guy refused to kiss me goodnight in front of my relatives' house because he didn't want to "embarrass" them; the bar scene was not a thing because Muslims don't drink; most people lived with their parents, so they would sneak around to hotels to hook up. It was difficult to conduct a relationship at the pace I was used to.

On top of that, me being American and non-white blew most people's minds. People expected Americans to be white, which I wasn't. And being mixed was an even more confusing variation on being a non-white American. Indonesians would say I was bule (foreigner) ... but not really bule, because I wasn't "Western" (white). I still got people fetishizing me, but this time for my "Japanese" look (I'm not Japanese) or because they thought Americans were easy, or because they saw me as a connection to other Westerners, or whatever. Moreover, me being Chinese was a distinct negative, because there are ethnic tensions between Chinese Indonesians and Indonesian Indonesians that don't exist in the U.S. I ran into a lot of people who were like, "Oh what? You're Chinese? But you seemed like such a nice girl..."

On top of all that, I still got flak for being American (a neocolonialist oppressor) and Dutch (...the colonial oppressor).

What I'm trying to say is, if you feel out of place in the U.S., in some other countries you'll feel doubly and triply out of place. There is no such thing as a prejudice-free paradise. It's just that the ways people stereotype you shift.

I think you should still move abroad if you want, but you should go in expecting nothing. It's not as simple as picking a place on the globe where your dating prospects are better.

Sorry this is so long, but I thought you deserved a thoughtful answer.

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