Simple Questions 02/20

Are you aware? I guess your answer is "yes", e.g. because you perceived the process of you reading this.

But - were you aware that you perceived the process of you reading this? Maybe your answer is yes.

If your answer was yes, then that means that you were aware of being aware that you perceived the process of you reading this.

And so forth. This discussion, especially the "exercise" that this comment might have caused, probably effected an experience of your awareness that is a wee bit beyond your normal everyday awareness (of your awareness). If so, then you would now know that there are scales to this. What if we increase the scale to infinity? God would be total awareness.

You might object that while this seems to work, there was an initial seed awareness involved. But:

1) We are minds in the universe, caused (Created.) by the universe. If the universe were a creation, then we would have come to be in the opposite direction, so to speak. What I mean is: We are living awareness that emerges from our biology and experiences <-> while the universe itself would emerge from the original awareness. I'd like this to not be misunderstood as presupposing God: I'm just saying that if it's a creation, then that would imply that our experience (and hence how we think about awareness) would be just the other way round than it is/was for God before/while creating the universe.

2) What would "increasing the scale to infinity" mean here? Well, I believe it has to do with our ability to abstract, to create the sum of data. Science gathered data and the derived Newtonian physics, later Relativity and Quantum physics, and now aims to combine the latter two to yet a new level. This is climbing the ladder of abstraction to find the all-concept. What if the all-concept is awareness itself? Think about the "exercise" above: If you could continue it another step or two, possibly getting yet a different feeling of what your awareness or experience of awareness means, couldn't it be that your ability to abstract comes into play there? What if someone would keep climbing that ladder backwards, looking at looking at looking at things, while also slowly getting a grasp of what they are doing there? What if this leads to the understanding of what awareness itself means? You, the one having that realization, reaching that understanding, would still be a level beyond that, because obviously, you would look at it with your awareness. But if we keep going like this, then you would ultimately understand your own awareness, but who would be the one understanding it in that moment? And so forth ... until you realize: "I am!"

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