Yes, it is called crime. Which is a completely different scenario than this war/invasion picture you have spent days painting. If you would like to switch to civilians committing crimes- the argument changes slightly.
In rejection of you're assertion that "Civilians" are always innocent. Civilian governments, civilian groups, civilians militia, etc cannot cause harm and injury to other civilians, and I stated a example of Rwanda, which you agree with.
Can you think of an instance in which suicide bombing against a civilian target could possibly be defensive? Or done in such a way to preserve their faith/way of life even?
I can't nor do I have to. I don't live in the Palestine territories or any of the other countries mentioned in the poll. I know that people will defend themselves the best way they can when they think they are threatened. Why people for example in the Palestine Territories justify the suicide bombing, maybe you should ask them, and not me. Considering the number has gone down from 70% to 46% in the last 7 years, things are changing.
Actually that brings up a good point- what is done to "defend" their way of life. Are you aware there are similar(even higher) levels of support in the Islamic world for executing apostates? Does leaving the religion make you a threat?
This is totally irrelevant. There is no Islamic World where is it located between Mars and Earth? Nations are governed by their legal system. How many Canadian Muslims were killed for leaving the faith?
I'm not ranting, I am literally telling you what is written in their holy book- if you are ignorant to that subject you have no business discussing this. Also, for what must be the third time- just because one group does something bad does not give other groups a pass. Do you think the Armenian genocide wasn't so bad because of the holocaust? If not, then why is this massive problem across the Islamic world not an issue because of the United State's actions?
This is bull, the Islamic world is not a nation, the United States is, this is fallacy of association fallacy do Canadian Muslims act like Egyptian Muslims?
Not the point- which you seem to miss regularly. The point was that the culture or ideology followed by people has an impact on their actions. Following a violent ideology/culture, be it Islam or gangster culture will lead to more violence among the followers.
This only shows you know little of Crips for example and little of Muslims, what your saying is the local Mosque is no better than the crips. Have you ever been attacked by Muslims? Have you ever been attacked by anyone?
Seriously man- if someone believes that, say, bloods must die, how is this any different than believing Christians, Hindus, or Jews must die? If someone believes that it's their duty to kill these people, how long before one of them starts killing?
Generalizing on steroids. The Ottawa Muslim Association is rampaging the streets of Ottawa, do you have a link for that?
>Give me a real word example not something from your imagination. Wait, here is my example: when Israel does it your cool with it?
The question is perfectly valid- this woman could have preached against your religion, or advocated for a change in your way of life- but regardless, she did no physical harm to anyone. Do you believe someone would be justified in killing her? Imagine any context you want so long as she is not the direct cause of physical suffering.
Give me a real example, not something you pulled your hat.
And to be clear- I do not support Israel's killing of civilians- because you know, I don't support the military killing non-combatants.
It's a fact civilians were killed and a lot of them, unlike your example which is hypothetical.
Well, yes- I was answering your question regarding policies of nations polled. I don't see what your point is here...?
Because what matters is what governments do and not opinion polls, which is not based on temporary conditions that may and do change.
Have you seriously gotten to the point in your horribly flawed argument that you have just started throwing shit on a wall, hoping some will stick?
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Newsflash: national policy does not always reflect the will of the people. People's opinions still matter.
And like the poll you provided they change over time.
Think of what you are actually saying here- imagine if, say, 25% of Americans supported economic warfare against Canada. Obviously, the United States does not do this, because it would be a very poor decision.
And so what if this is so? American policy is not based on opinion polls, what the duck?
Does the fact that the government not support the beliefs held by these individuals mean that these individuals do not hold the belief?
Can you give me a real example?
Further- temporary is an interesting term- that source has over ten years of data in it. While some are more consistent than others, to say this was a spur of the moment decision by the respondents is a little silly
Only three counties have 10 years, the rest or less than 2 and others are spotty are best.
Yes, and I have asked you to provide a situation in which suicide bombing against a civilian target could possibly preserve your life, way of life, and/or religion.
46% of Palestine think so, direct you're question to them.
>We were talking about polls as in 75% Americans supported Troops in Iraq for example, which resulted in unnecessary deaths civilian and military.
Not that- you brought up how this could be related to the American invasions of the middle east, which was a ridiculous claim. You suggested multiple times that this was a response to an "invasion" trying to change or alter their religion/way of life.
WTF? You constantly go off about a opinion poll about innocent civilians being killed, but its not national policy of any of the polled countries. I provided a poll that shows in 2003 75% of Americans support troops in Iraq, which in order to complete the mission would involve the killing of civilians. The fact we invaded Iraq was to change minds as in the idea of nation building.
You need to understand that not everything is an absolute, and that things have varying degrees of support and responsibility.
If you invade a country then the citizens are responsible for all actions, otherwise don't invade other countries. I don't see why you don't get this simple premise.
> If you support the mission you take responsibility for their actions.
The Vietnam war like the Iraq war 2 was approved in the beginning and later declined towards the end.
This obsession with America's actions has kind of dug yourself a hole. Because the same logic applies backwards.
If you believe that the American people, even those who support parts of the war...
Sunni and Shia are not nations like the US, and the US is or claims to do the right thing.
How is this any different? How can you hold every American accountable for the actions of their troops, while at the same time denying that Muslims are at all accountable for the actions of Islamists?
I can't believe you don't get this. The Ottawa Muslim Association is not responsible for the actions of Muslims in other countries, its not responsible for the actions of its own members if they break Canadian law. The US is a nation not a religion. If the US has to provide reparations to war crimes in Vietnam everyone pays out of their taxes, regardless if they agreed or disagreed on the US actions in Vietnam. Sheesh.
Did you support the mission of the Canadian government in Iraq and Afghanistan?
The real number is a little over 110,000 according to the Wiki.
Shrug.
Well over that number of people were killed during both the Iraqi campaign against the Kurds and the Iran-Iraq war. Why aren't you discussing these numbers?
Because I have enough sense to keep conversation in context. The Iraq war towards the Kurds and Iran are not in context.
Oh, that's right! Because America(and a great deal of the Western world) tried to set up a democracy in a dictatorship, but ultimately failed, that must mean that the Americans are responsible for the current government. Right.
Actually yes. If you give aid to dictatorship like Egypt like in the billions, then the US is responsible, otherwise then don't give aid to friendly dictatorships.
There is a shockingly high amount of support for Sharia- other than that no polls exist. Seeing as we have had multiple terror attacks and issues in the last few months- I would say an issue is brewing. Our immigration policies tend to weed out those who may conflict with Canada's values, therefore we don't see as many fundamentalists in the country.
Terrorist attacks you have links?