6 Dead, 3 Hurt in Apparently Random Shootings in Michigan

You are making a few wrong assumptions:

  1. You keep bringing up "passion murders" (where someone just decides out of nowhere to murder someone) but those normally aren't death penalty cases. As I said earlier, here have been about 70,000 death penalty eligible cases since 1973 - so roughly 20% of all murders are really eligible for the death penalty.
  2. You are making an invalid assumption. Let's go back to my stove analogy - Person A touches a hot stove and his hand gets burnt right in front of Person B. Person A's hand being burnt likely deterred Person B from touching that stove. According to you, since Person A touched that stove, then the burnt hand is NOT a deterrence. You ignore person B ENTIRELY from your theory. Not to mention, saying the death penalty isn't a deterrence for murderers because murders still happen is like saying prison isn't a deterrence for robberies because they still happen.
  3. The fact that 99% of murderers prefer life over death confirms it's a deterrent. 99% is too huge of a number to simply ignore. Why do you believe so many inmates find God and become apologetic on death row? Why do you think so many inmates appeal countless times in order to avoid the death penalty? Why do you think lawyers campaign for plea bargains to lessen the sentence from death penalty to life in prison? People fear it.
  4. A 2003 study he co-authored, and a 2006 study that re-examined the data, found that each execution results in five fewer homicides, and commuting a death sentence means five more homicides. "The results are robust, they don't really go away," he said. "I oppose the death penalty. But my results show that the death penalty (deters) — what am I going to do, hide them? Statistical studies like his are among a dozen papers since 2001 that capital punishment has deterrent effects. They all explore the same basic theory — if the cost of something (be it the purchase of an apple or the act of killing someone) becomes too high, people will change their behavior (forego apples or shy away from murder).
  5. I actually agree with you - the death penalty in America is a JOKE. Do you honestly believe that if we announced that once you get a trial, you get ONE appeal and then you are publicly executed that that won't deter people? Right now it's not much of a deterrence because it takes 15+ years to happen. At least in prison you can still have a life. You can think, you can express yourself, you can dream, you can love, you can see your family, you can speak with loved ones, you can learn, you can socialize, etc. If you are on death row all you can do is sit and wait for the day that they drag you out and murder you - and people will rejoice.
  6. I believe that the death penalty is not being implemented properly in America. Through research we have found that deterrence works best when a punishment is: Swift, Certain, and Proportionate to the Crime.

As of now, the death penalty does not satisfy the first two qualifications. Inmates sit on death row for far too long. However, if the appeal process was expedited and improved it could actually serve as a great deterrent.

The best-publicized program built on this set of principles is the HOPE program in Honolulu, which requires random drug tests of probationers and, for those who fail, an immediate short stint (typically two days) in jail, with no exceptions. The SWIFT program in Texas, the WISP program in Seattle, the Swift and Sure program in Michigan, and Sobriety 24/7 in South Dakota all work the same way, and all have the same results: drastic reduction in illicit-drug use (or, in the case of 24/7, alcohol abuse), reoffending, revocation, and time behind bars.

In Hawaii, HOPE clients are mostly longtime criminally active drug users with a mean of seventeen prior arrests. A drug treatment program would be delighted if it could get 20 percent of such a population into recovery—and most would quickly drop out and go back to drug use. But in a carefully done randomized controlled trial with 500 subjects, eight out of ten assigned to the HOPE program finished the first year of the program in compliance and drug free for at least three months, with no rearrest. Most of them either never had a missed or dirty test (which would have led to a forty-eight-hour jail stay) or had only one such incident. That suggests that more than mere deterrence is at work; HOPE clients seem to be gaining the ability to control their own behavior.

More http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/january_february_2013/features/a_new_role_for_parole042045.php?page=3

As far as the death sentence being a deterrence for capital murder and other severe capital offenses, the same logic applies to the varying fines being applied to deter shoplifting. More serious punishments deter more serious crimes. Less serious punishments deter less serious crimes. If you looked into the swift, certain, and severe research you would find that severity of punishment has a big hand in deterrence. It should outweigh the benefit of committing the crime without being too severe. We can not sentence someone to death for stealing a candy bar. Similarly, we can not sentence someone to fifty lashing, castration, and death for murdering a child because it would cross over the cruel and unusual boundary.

Because we fear death. We avoid death in so many ways each and every day. Being ordered to die is scarier than being ordered to live in sequester. Again, this is subjective and opinions vary. However, so many prisoners appeal and plea bargain so that they get life in prison instead of death. They sit on death row for years because they want to push their death sentence off.

This is a fundamental concept of Cesare Beccaria, the Father of criminology.

Capital punishment is the highest level of punishment for the highest level of crimes. In terms of severity, it is considered the most severe. There is nothing cruel and unusual about a fairly painless state-sanctioned death. This is how we gauge crimes. Stealing a candy bar = a fine. Stealing a car = a brief prison sentence. Smothering your ailing wife with a pillow = life in prison. Shooting 4 school children = death. There are long trials, appeals, and processes that give the person a fair shot to defend him/herself.

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