Alec Baldwin Sues ‘Rust’ Armorer and Crew for Giving Him a Loaded Gun

The only one providing sources has been me to date.

Despite your claims that I am not familiar with the situation. Or you wanting me to give you sources (which is fine).

So now its...."well you have sources and shit, but you are biased. How can I convince you the guy that shot this other person and the person paid to handle the firearms isnt criminally liable"

I mean, take your best shot. I'd love to hear the reasoning. The biggest thing is to make sure your logic would also apply to....literally any other situation. Someone shooting a video for youtube. Or someone cleaning guns in their house etc etc.

Show me that Alec Baldwin did his due dilligence, verified the weapon wasnt loaded with live ammo before playing with it.

It all 50 states, the person the handles a gun is responsible for that gun. There are 4 rules. Of course if making a movie, you need to take some extra special precautions to really really make sure these are followed

  1. Treat all guns as if they are always loaded.
  2. Never let the muzzle point at anything that you are not willing to destroy.
  3. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target and you have made the decision to shoot.
  4. Be sure of your target and what is behind it.

Theres not a 5th rule that says "if you are an actor you can disregard all of the above and feign ignorance". They are universal for a reason.

If hollywood sets dont have competant individuals that will train these folks and make sure the sets are safe, they arent doing it right. And guess what....that THIS particular set, Alec was ALSO a producer. So hes doubly responsible.

The police report states there were [ND's leading up to this incident and that the armorer called the gun clear. Alec still has a responsibility to verify it.

Further there were reports that Nick Cage himself had previously taken issue with the armorer on the set of a different movie.

So honestly. you can call it bias all you want. Im not sure how its a defensible position at all. Alec had personal responsibility to be informed and follow standard universal protocol. He had profesional responsibility as a producer to ensure protocols are followed (and by protocols I mean the rules above, there is no substitution). And the armorer had personal and profesional responsibility.

In any other situation thats how it plays. When you are cleaning guns with your buddy, even if he hands you a gun and calls it clear, protocol above dictates you brass check the weapon. Every time. No excuses. Actors arent special there, and frankly, if anything, there should be MORE restrictions on a set.

Aka no guns with firing pins. Or if you have guns with firing pins, live ammo within miles of set. Armorer should be the one to keep everything under lock and key and organized. Hand weapons out and check them in. Those recieving them should be verifying what the armorer states (gun is loaded with dummy round, or gun is loaded with blanks, or gun is unloaded in condition 1-4 etc etc etc).

Dont like it? Well tough, thats how it works for the rest of the US. Thats the cost of doing business.

The fact that literally no one has been arrested or prosecuted is just a testament that its a "rules for thee, not for me" and the justice system is not what most believe it is.

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