3. The desert in what is now the southwestern U.S. was once much, much larger and s...

The desert in what is now the southwestern U.S. was once much, much larger and sparsely populated, correct? So why was it desirable to the U.S.?

The Russians were exploring down through Oregon at the exact same day that Lewis and Clark hit the Pacific. Finding a good port was critical to the success of the Russian American Company, which was also the company that did the first Russian circumnavigation of the globe.

Because they wanted all of the pacific coast, not because they wanted a small, isolated, faraway territory.

SF would only have been resuppliable by ship

Not of they took everything from Beijing to Baja.

Rezanov from seducing the daughter of the Spanish governor as part of his bid to annex it for Russia.

Because they wanted all of the territory, not just SF or California.

Likewise Russis didn't want SF alone, apart from the whole of the pacific coast.

This sounds like you agree it's not desirable to hold a small, isolated territory. Thanks.

What I was contesting was your notion that nobody would want SF if the only way they could get there was by sail.

Wait, what? Now you think it IS desirable to have a small, isolated territory? The Spanish didn't. They had Mexico. The Russians didn't. They wanted all the Mexican territory and everything north. The US didn't, they wanted manifest destiny. Who are you talking about? The Danish?

The US did not want to defend the west coast without a supply line, a population, and a way to put military personnel in place. Sure. Which is why they took the area in between as well.

Holy shit! Now you're agreeing with me again!

But a fantastic number of people came to SF from the East Coast by boat. So much that the SF Bay was full of derelict ships since there was not as much demand for the return trip.

Which is why the US wanted the southwest!

Which I didn't say.

Huh?! You DIDN'T say that the Russians didn't want a small, isolated, faraway territory? You think the Russians wanted a small, isolated, faraway territory. You think the Russians wanted a small, isolated, faraway territory. You think the Russians...

What I was contesting was your notion that nobody would want SF if the only way they could get there was by sail.

Nobody did! Spain passed until they had all of Mexico. The French passed. England declined to buy what they called the most valuable port in the pacific. Russia colonized only contiguous territory. And the US took the southwest. Who thought it was desirable to hold SF or California without a supply line and a population, reaching it only by sailing around South America?

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