Well, if you decide to cook with a majority of ingredients you don't like, then you're doing a shitty job cooking. That's why I think you should try avoiding meat/dairy substitutes and try just an entirely plant based meal, perhaps with ingredients you like?

Problem is, I dislike most plant-based ingredients by themselves or with other plant-based ingredients I dislike.

I'm willing to meet halfway, eating some of the vegetarian or vegan foods I like occasionally, but no, I'm not turning vegan.

Seriously, it's just confusing as fuck to hear someone say that they cook with things they don't like, don't like the result, then act like that's some conclusive test.

Seriously, you just told me that I should not dismiss that which I haven't tried... And then you get angry at me for trying things, with ingredients I don't like, which I don't like... What is your logic?

And as for your conclusive test, you are telling me that I'm required to have tasted every single vegan or vegetarian dish in the world before I can shove a vegan lifestyle off as "not for me" sorry, this doesn't work that way. I decide what I eat.

Then try something different!

How many "different" things do I have to try before you, oh noble vegan, will let me go with eating whatever the fuck I want?

Again, that's not how supply and demand work.

You're thinking of supply and demand in a perfect world. Where one person not buying some meat will magically make the butcher's decide to produce one piece of meat less. Doesn't work that way. Unless you go straight to the butcher's and ask him to slaughter a cow for you, nothing is going to change with me not picking up a packet of meat.

Again again, that's not how supply and demand work.

Then how do you think it works? Explain to me how that packet of meat that I don't buy magically causes every animal on earth to be treated better. As far as I know that packet of meat is going into the trashbin.

Because suffering is bad? Unless you think that physical pain and death aren't bad...

Ever heard of this thing called life? Yeah, it consists of physical and mental pain, emotions, circumstances and eventually death. Just because we humans have developed some kind of stupid emotions we attach to everything doesn't mean it's not meant to be so.

I'm saying you should care about them.

I'm saying I shouldn't.

But these hunting animals can't think about moral concepts. THey're not moral agents. This is a valuable distinction.

If animals don't know about this moral concept, what do they care about being slaughtered then? All I know is that they supposedly feel pain. Sorry, but that's how life works. Things feel pain and die. Whether you can stop it or not is not my deal.

My life isn't about saving other "things". My life is about living my life and it's not about others.