The male suicides: how social perfectionism kills

For the same reason looking both ways before you cross the street so you don't get run over by a car isn't demonization of cars. It's just basic threat assessment. Yes, we take the possibility of getting run over seriously. We look first to make sure a car won't hit us. That's not demonization, that's just basic intelligence.

This response is kind of tangential. In TRP, we look at what happens and not whether it should or shouldn't happen. In this segment, you're not arguing that the demonization doesn't happen. You're arguing that it's justified, though not necessarily in the form that it comes in. My only point is that it happens.

they're there to look more like the heros and role models they've been given as children

This is not my experience. A lot of them lift for health or just to nail chicks. Some of them lift to compete with others. There's a lot of different reasons and I don't think that becoming batman is one of the more common ones.

we absolutely encourage them to be there.

We spend at least as much time criticizing meat heads or jocks as we do encouraging fitness. We also spend a lot of time discouraging men from trying to lift just to become huge and we remove incentives by telling people that looks don't matter.

Sounds like you're dating the wrong women. Trying dating women whose interests align with yours... it'll work a lot better. In fact that's a major flaw in TRP philosophy... the idea that women must be gamed into getting what men want. The real secret is to find the women that share your interests. Of course, if you don't actually care about them, that'll be hard to do.

You're misunderstanding. Some of my interests are necessarily not hers. For instance, if I can have sex with more women by not having a relationship but women want commitment then her interest in commitment is directly at odds with my interests in spinning plates. Or, if I want to spend as much time as possible pursuing my own interests and agendas and she wants me to spend time on her, that's in conflict with my interests.

The idea isn't to demonize women for having these needs. They're perfectly reasonable conflicting interests for her to have. We just keep in check what these interests are so that we can make decisions accordingly. If she's proves herself to be worth it then I'll do commitment and not spin plates but it's necessary for me to realize that I'm giving something up and act accordingly.

You said yourself you're approaching them and doing this. So you're actually knowingly opting to engage someone who doesn't want you to do this and offending them, and you seem to not understand why that's asshole behavior.

You're really overstating the impact that an approach can have on someone.

Oh good, please show a study. I'm referencing the study that reddit had up quite recently (like an hour ago). I'm sure if you've only seen the opposite, plenty of studies will back your claims.

I saw it on /r/mensrights a while ago. I'd have to find it. Here's Pew saying it's equal though I acknowledge that's different than my original claim.

The only disadvantage you've listed is people's recognition of the advantages. That's a bit silly.

Huh? Feminist lobbying has warped the education system against men, eroded due process, created alimony and child support laws, disadvantaged men in the workplace programs to help women including AA, and quite a bit more if you really want to get into it.

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