On which stupidpol debates the definitions of Identity politics, Socialism and Marxism

as exclusive and incommensurate of class, and not part of the same social struggle, is the distinction by which /r/Stupidpol maintains identity politics against cross-racial class solidarity.

Firstly, no clue what you just said. Secondly, how pragmatically do people fight for both causes without each taking any steam from the other? With what we know about human behaviour writ large, isn't what you describe completely utopic? Doesn't one have to supersede the other in a tactical sense? If not I don't think 2 movements with 2 outlooks and objectives for change can't realistically work as a single movement.

As I see it the fight against the global order can incorporate within it the fight for race and sexual equality, but I don't see how the fight for race and sexual equality can incorporate the fight against the actual problems of power. So the onus is on the race and sexuality crowd to stop fannying around because they can be useful to themselves and us in the fight for a new system, but how can we (revolutionaries, whatever term fits) be helpful to our causes by joining their movement? No matter how far down you look on the to-do list, overthrow capitalism doesn't make an appearance. Surely they have to join us, what good does it do us joining them. But they don't want to join us, they are busy doing their thing, and this is why I think what you describe about rejecting the either/or sounds very nice but is probably mostly utopic bullshit.

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