My favorite:
It took some time but after near 30 years (...)
My 2 cents:
on the comment about canada ( most upvoted )
Thus, it seems to me that you can take in a sizable number of refugees if only you handle it correctly.
1# 1 I somewhat agree. You could probably take a considerable amount without any major issues whatsoever if it was done properly. But the situation isn't being handled properly.
Some will be pleasant, some not so pleasant. But if you wanna pick a flaw you can easily do that. Maybe next time when you meet a muslim, who is as Aussie as Kangaroos, you will forget him entirely but the bearded loudmouth on a busy street will still be in your mind cause you chose to be that way.
I have no problems in admitting that there are some refugees that are great people.
In the middle of this wave there might be a honest bunch, people who want the best for their families, students and teachers that just didn't want to get shelled.
But this goes back to 1#, i believe that one of these is true: the average immigrant will cause troubles, there will be a considerable amount of troublemakers.
Also this particular quote seems to go along the lines "you are also evil so just accept evil people", and i don't think that's valid.
My main issue here is that the Muslims are not the first of these groups and probably not the last.
We got the Italians in the 60's, the Ex-USSR in the 90's and the Turks around 2000. Interesting here is that the majority of turks is muslim.
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I don't think that italians and ex-USSR are as incompatible with our culture/values as the ones coming in now. Can't argue about the turks, i don't know how turks have been integrating. But if i had to guess i would say will probably depends on the birthplace(inside turkey) and their families. My opinion is that turkey ( and possibly other countries around ) has both people that could integrate easily and other that can't.
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But then it will all just calm down, because they will integrate themselves, like they always did.
Not so sure. Haven't we seen 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants still living in parallel societies? In places like France?
Thoughts on the 2x gilded comment
If by 'different culture' you mean 'religiously fundamentalist', then sure... but I'd like to see how Melbourne coped with an influx of 10,000 refugees from the bible belt.
I don't think that "you are also evil people you must accept evil people" argument is valid.~
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if you're talking about sharia law, I'd say we're talking about people, not systems of governance.
These people think that the best and only system of governance should be sharia law. We are talking about both things here, maybe some won't actively push for it, but would accept it.
integration process (...) income, housing and job support in Austria and Germany (...)
Where there are probably homeless people starting i would guess. Or other issues that could also use some help. I recognize that this is a crisis so "it's natural" that resources are focused on it.
(...) France doesn't have a great track record (...)
I'm going to guess and say that no one does because it doesn't work with some people.
(...) judging by the situation in Calais, their work in this area could do with improvement (...)
FFS who exactly needs to improve here?
Don't get me wrong, I don't want people to die. We should help. IF possible. IF. And never hurt our own beyond repair in the proccess.
(...) see that such integration is possible. Not 100 perfect, but possible. (...)
For which definition of possible? They should respect our values, our culture the religions that we have, anything less than that means they have not integrated
(...) I've seen form in europe are a) barely worthy of the name (...)
It's a shame your travel guide didn't send you to the no-go zones, which probably exist.
(...) and b)economically, rather than racially or religiously centred (...)
I don't agree about anything in here. I think that ghettos can form based on race and religion. But lets disregard this and focus on what he thinks that forms ghettos, money. Is he expecting all these immigrants to become rich? Because if they don't, we will see "economic" ghettos.
(...) women get groped Yes, because this never happened before immigration. (...) But it's been racialised and blown out of proportion by people on both sides with agendas. Not to say we shouldn't pay attention to trends or behaviour like this, but that paying attention leads to reasoned fact driven discourse, not damaging insults and cover-ups.
Facts: news got censored, correct me if i'm wrong but wheren't most of these crimes on new year's eve commited by immigrants because that's another fact.
I partially agree, this shit needs to be discussed properly. But that's not happening! that's what is causing a lot of anger and hate, people can't calm down.
It's like a overheating kettle, it should be opened up but instead people are waiting for it to blow.
(...) No idea, but I reckon Merkel's decision to take a million educated refugees was an economic decision as much as anything else. Think about that. (...)
Ugh there we go again. Immigrants will save our economy. People don't realize that even one of the strongest economies on the EU needs cheap "slaves" to survive we should seriously rethink the economy. Personally i think we could make the economy work it's just that some people fuck the system on purpose for their own good.
(...) but taking tiny data points and using them to inform over simplified perspectives on millions of people is silly.
No, using tiny data points and predict something about 1 guy is stupid. Using tiny datapoints to predict that inside a fucking large group something will happen is not silly. Say 0.01% of them are terrorists that's 100 of them. Enought to cause several "events". Say 5% are violent criminals, that's 50k violent criminals.