Smogon is considering completely banning Baton Pass from OU.

Irrelevent here but imo sableye should be given a suspect soon too, i mean dugtrio was voted to stay super recently so the option of even suspecting it again anytime soon (yes that includes arena trap, theyre the same thing) is out of the question unless they want to look like theyre pushing an agenda or something, it will just make them look bad.

Imo stuff that shuts down stall such as taunt gliscor, mew and torndaus, or mons that break through it easily like medicham and stuff that give it trouble like ferrothorn and tangrowth are completely shut down by sableye so it would be nice to see how a sableye-less ladder will be (we can probably expect taunt to be used, alot)

My two cents: the support it gives is too much from hazard control, taunt immunity, spin blocking, lack of any notable weaknesses, knock off immunity, willowisp, doesnt get trapped by dugtrio, an excellent typing and notable immunities to psychic and fighting, its not broken on its own, its the support that it brings to the table is unhealthy. Dont tell me it has weaknesses or its weak to fairy or has flaws because sableyes flaws are extremely easy to cover, and also dont tell me it beaten by set up sweepers because clefable exists so unless u wanna suspect test unaware, sableye should be given a go

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