[socjus] [ethics] CBCNews distorts story about men getting fired after finding FHRITP joke funny.

You, like most people it'd appear, are again misunderstanding the concept of trolling. I don't condone it, but it's important to understand what it is.

As for victim blaming often an illogical reasoning because there are few cases where it really applies. Most of the time, it's really just about whether someone is taking personal responsibility. People to look at things like a see saw (any responsibility leveled at one person is therefore removed from the other). I think it's a poor way to look at things. Everyone, within their own context, has a level of responsibility. Like how no one wants to be a victim of a crime, yet it'd be naive or outright moronic to suggest that no one can do anything to minimize their risk of becoming a victim. This is how someone who never leaves a laptop on a car seat will never get their laptop stolen from their car seat. No one wants their laptop stolen, but if you leave your laptop on your front car seat overnight and it gets stolen, you didn't really do the most basic of things to reduce your risk.

As it applies to this case, the reporter may not want to be harassed, but if she's continuing to go to a job where this happens "ten times a day" then obviously the benefits outweigh the negatives. Like I think I said above, people in retail and service get treated as bad or worse on a normal basis. As much as I hate such people who mistreat service staff, if a job were so bad in that respect I would find another. And in the year this has been happening, I'm guessing either this reporter has not bothered to find another line of work (to reduce her odds of this happening), has not been good enough to move up the chain (even if for a different network) or actually likes the job in spite of the harassment, and in that respect, what job is perfect? How many people have decent jobs but horrible coworkers or bosses?

It's a street reporter thing, because there's a camera. Whether this phrase or not, people have been doing this for years if not decades. If you don't like it, don't do the job.

And in that respect, I think it's foolish to simply look at one person to blame. There's a lot of people I think fucked up here.

  • The initial guy who yelled it was an immature ass, and I would've been fine had he just been called out by the woman, not because things were said to her but simply because it's an immature asshole move in general.

  • Instead, she took it personally, which is entirely on her. Offense is not objective, it exists within the confines of your own mind. How she interprets behavior like this is on her.

  • She went after the wrong people, people who simply found it funny. It'd be like if a comedian had some crude jokes, and someone went after the audience for laughing.

  • In her attempt to make it about sexual harassment or attacks on women or whatever, it also fueled the internet mob, and led to doxxing and eventually the firing of a guy with a good job, for essentially being drunk and laughing at schoolyard humor. And so in that respect, I blame everyone online who acted so outraged and offended, because really, no one cares. They'll move on to something else, and with this guy in ruins, people can pat themselves on the back in a giant circle jerk thinking this has somehow bettered society and challenged sexism, and it hasn't done anything. It's done nothing.

I mean, this is KotakuInAction, right? I haven't ended up in some PC sub by accident, have I?

If you were a woman in that situation, I think it would be very hard to not feel threatened or demeaned by that, and if you do feel that way, I don't think you should have that personal reaction diminished and undermined by loud mouths on the internet who think they know better and want to tell people how they should feel and what they should do.

But that's entirely in your head. It's not objective. And I think there's a degree of narcissism involved in thinking it is about you. As I've said many times in this thread, take away the camera, and you take away that behavior, at least as it pertains to FHRITP and yelling anything at a street reporter. As I linked above, there was a dude getting a vibrator in his ear, and the original CityTV story also showed clips of a guy have stuff yelled at him. The appeal is the camera. The reporter themselves is irrelevant.

I could give you that, as people, they aren't being respected, and I've acknowledged that. But this isn't about gender, and I've explained the appeal of the camera, and why these people don't respect the reporter.

Remember, when people are trying to cheeply insult or get a rise, they will use something easily visible. Gender, weight, appearance, clothing, voice, mannerisms, politics, income, whatever. It's lazy and immature, but that's what it is. It's not personal. And in the case of the phrase, FHRITP, it's a meme. It's not even original. They didn't just pass this woman on the street and say it, or this wasn't the first time it was said. The fact it's a well known phrase emphasizes how much this wasn't personal.

And, again, ultimately the debate here is not whether the behavior is acceptable (it isn't), but that the situation was horribly handled and it's a great example of people acting holier than though as they cheer for blood via the internet.

A guy was an asshole, some other assholes thought it was funny, one of THEM got the punishment, and the punishment FAR exceeded the 'crime' even if it was him that did it.

This, meanwhile, is a far more applicable level of punishment for this kind of behavior:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/calgary-man-charged-after-yelling-obscenity-at-a-cbc-reporter/article24442762/?click=sf_globe

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