Tobacco giant sues Australia - More than $50 million of taxpayer money is expected to go up in smoke defending cigarette plain packaging in a secretive international tribunal in Singapore.

I wasn't twisting your words at all. I'm talking about tobacco, you're talking about domestic violence as a result of alcohol abuse. They are two separate issues.

I was talking about the affects of legal drugs in comparison to tobacco, and yet you again dodge the point that tobacco has extremely limited negative societal affects and should remain legalized. In fact, this whole debate is in regards to cigarettes being legal. You still haven't given me any reasons why it should be illegal, other than its health affects.

The total costs to society of alcohol-related problems in Australia in 2010 was estimated to be $14.352b. Of this, $2.958b (or 20.6%) represents costs to the criminal justice system, $1.686b (or 11.7%) comprises costs to the health system, $6.046b (or 42.1%) involve costs to Australian productivity and $3.662b (or 25.5%) are costs associated with traffic accidents. This estimate of total costs, however, does not incorporate the negative impacts on others ($6.807b estimated by Laslett et al. 2010) associated with someone else’s drinking. These impacts comprised only perceived costs and could arguably have included other categories of costs referred to above. Their inclusion would have involved some unknown amount of double counting

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/tandi/441-460/tandi454.html

I didn't bother to answer that question because it's irrelevant. Should the personal experiences of a stranger on the internet convince you, where peer reviewed science does not? Would it matter to you that I have dozens of friends and family members hospitalised from smoking relating illnesses? or would you just dismiss that, assume I'm lying, or say that there is no link between those illnesses and smoking?

Yes because I'm going to assume your answer is no.

Again, not to the same level.

Wrong again. http://www.caffeineinformer.com/top-10-energy-drink-dangers

The same arguments you are using to justify tobacco use could also be used to justify heroin use. Do you think heroin should be legal? What about meth?

Who said I was justifying any use? I'm suggesting that they continue to be regulated and controlled rather than criminalized, uncontrolled and left in the hands of organized crime. Do you think as many people would die from heroin abuse if it was regulated and controlled by doctors? Unlikely.

Anyway you obviously have lost the plot and think Australia should be a nanny state where criminals should be able to profit from people's choices and people shouldn't be allowed to make their own decisions. They have places like these already, such as Iran, you should go and see what it's like to live over there.

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