What do you think will become socially acceptable in the next 10 years?

Agree to disagree, then. WPATH, the world professional association for transgender health explicitly states that such procedures are not cosmetic.

Rhinoplasty, brow lift, lip / oral augmentation, cheek implants, scalp advance, hair transplant, cranioplasty, orbital recontouring, jaw reductions, chondrolaryngoplasty, rhytidectomy and others - make up the majority of operations in the transitioning "medical package."

These procedures have been classified as cosmetic procedures by the academies of medicine and science since long before WPATH existed.

More importantly, the leading and majority of surgeons (it could likely be all the surgeons) who carry out the vast majority of trans-related surgeries are licensed cosmetic / plastic surgeons. As the source in my last comment shows, that world-leading cosmetic surgeon does liposculpture or rhytidectomy on a cisgendered person, then liposculpture or rhytidectomy on a trans person. Same operating room. Same procedure. Different reasons.

Are these queer men receiving surgery with the specific intent to be read as female by society? Are cisgender women getting brow implants and jaw contouring with the specific intent to look masculine? Your examples are not comparable to the procedures transgender people receive.

You (and apparently WPATH) have mistakenly assigned the motivations behind a medical procedure some significance in how they're viewed in the medical world.

These procedures are literally - by medical, practical, and operative definition - identical procedures, regardless of the motivation behind carrying it out. They're just being carried out for a different reason. One is essential for treatment, and one is preferential. That does not change the fact that they are procedurally - from receptionist to nurse to surgeon - identical.

Situational circumstances does not change the fact that these procedures - the majority of trans-related surgeries - are cosmetic operations that've been practiced all over the world on cisgendered people for a long time.

you probably also mean to refer to vaginoplasty

Yes, thank you!

In closing, I just want to say this: to the bottom of my heart, I know how medically significant and important these procedures are for trans people. Last August I flew back to my parents house / where I grew up (he was not welcome at my uncle's place) to spend several weeks with my cousin Campbell, a trans man, after he underwent quite a few of these operations. During those weeks I got to see both (a) the medical significance of the operations and recovery, and (b) the incredible process of psychological healing start to unfold.

I say that because reading my comment it might come across like I'm trying to minimize a trans-related operation to "just the same lipo / facelift shit a soccer mom gets on the weekends." Additionally, after reading the page you provided I think that's probably why WPATH has chosen to reject the label of cosmetic surgery.

But, I pressed that issue because when we're talking about the advancement of a medical field, in medical terms, it's appropriate to use the correct classifications when talking about procedures that've been practiced and developed within the specific realm of cosmetic surgery, by cosmetic surgeons, for decades now.

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