There's a difference between hating or being afraid of something and simply not caring one way or the other. If gay men don't care you can damn well bet straight people care even less. I say let trans folks exist and live their lives - as for me having to do anything or use special words or call myself cis whoops that's a line not for them to cross. I'm gay, I reserve the right not to care about anything that isn't a man born with a penis. That's really the problem isn't it? That there's a bunch of trans people and they're mad that gay men won't date them and don't care, they're also mad when gay men pretend to care and still won't sleep with them. They're just mad generally. At some point, a rational person just stops caring and stops listening. For me, personally? Visceral level? I do not care about trans people and whether they're a part of the acronym at this point doesn't matter to me. They've abused their time at the microphone and everyone's sort-of yanking it back, you can see this in the legislation. It doesn't target gays and lesbians, it's about the trans wokeness. I'm sorry it's happening but also somehow not mortified over it. Look at how you come here, brigade, and attack gay men in their own sub. You people do it to me in this sub any time I make a comment, even when tacitly I'm supporting you. Let that sink for a while, we're all over it, especially us older gays.