CMV: Men who feel unwelcome in the feminist movement are actually just misunderstanding what feminists are saying, turning reasonable expectations of male feminists into offensive rules.

Your post and opinions actually shows the issues that feminism logically has. In which if privilege and other dumb terms are correct, then people are not equal.

Privilege has to do with inequality within a society, not inherent, natural inequality. The point of acknowledging privilege is to listen to those who actually have lived through experiences that show societal inequality, and striving towards change in making things more equal. The goal in acknowledging privilege is to make it go away, and privilege goes away when things are equal between groups.

As for "mansplaining", here's how I view it: If I was attacked in my home, and later relayed that story to others, I'd get pretty pissed off if people start asking me about crime statistics, laws about breaking and entering, and if people started asking me things that pretty much imply they're questioning who the victim is or if I know what I'm talking about. If you were discussing an issue that you actually experienced with someone who hasn't, and they started questioning things you've actually seen and experienced yourself in an attempt to discredit or disprove what you're saying, that's just downright rude. The article uses the case of a sex worker talking to a man about their experience as a sex worker, and the man starts questioning her as if she hadn't actually lived through it herself.

"Yeah, I work the streets, it's pretty dangerous and I've been in life threatening situations more times than I care to count."

"Oh? Because the statistics I've read say that only X out of Y sex workers experience a dangerous scenario in a given week."

That's mansplaining, and more than anything it's a lack of goddamn manners and respect. Odd as it may sound, woman can do that too, they're just less likely too, because believe it or not, they are more likely to be empathetic and understanding. Not because of a natural difference between men and women, but because of similarities in the kinds of discrimination women face in society. Two people who grew up in the same area are more likely to be sympathetic and understanding to the others issues and experiences.

This is influenced even further in genders, as women are prevalent in all society: For there to be major personality similarities between such a diverse group of people would require there to be significant genetic differences in mental state: Once again suggesting that all people are not equal.

Is it not more suggestive of differences in treatment by or in society? Black people are, due to America's history and present, still more represented in low income areas than is proportionate. Low income areas are also more likely to have gangs or have people living in them join gangs, due to, well, logic (little money leads to higher crime rates, regardless of the races involved). A white kid and a black kid in the same gang on the "bad side of town" are more likely to be behaviorally comparable to each other than to a well off white or black person on the "good side of town". It's not "black behavior", but there are similarities because yes, black people do face similar issues of discrimination in many different parts of the world, and that leads to patterns in experiences, but those similarities are not direct results of being black, but how black people are discriminated against in societies. Class differences are only a small part of it.

Same goes with women. They grew up in a society that has expectations of them, just as men have, and their personalities were affected by it, just as men's are, but in different ways. I know women who spend most of their time worrying about clothes and makeup and women who spend most of their time worrying about whether or not their guild is raiding tonight and who's going to be there or what loot they might get. Women are a diverse group, just as men are, and there is no unifying trait. Which is what the whole issue is. There is nothing that naturally unifies all women, or all men for that matter, so why is society structured in a way that acts like there is? The unification of groups for a common cause is caused by societal inequality, not natural differences. A black person is no more or less naturally capable than a white person, so why is society structured in favor of one over the other? A women is no more or less capable than a man, so why is society structured in favor of one or the other?

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