Rates are kind of a unique situation because people are being forced to listen to music by an artist they may not even like, in order to get the payoff of a fun rate reveal and, hopefully, a victory for their preferred artist/song/album. If you go into a rate reveal thinking "well, I'm not into Green Day, but listening to one album shouldn't be too bad," but then you notice that these songs are 10 min or whatever, you're gonna be annoyed at your time being wasted.

I own American Idiot on CD from back in the day, and I do think Green Day are a good band. I also think very few artists are good enough to justify 7+ min of anyone's time on one single song, and I'm not sure even Green Day can really justify that. Jesus of Suburbia is good... but it's not great enough that it needed to be that long.

It's interesting if you look at Radiohead's approach to song length. Radiohead are often described as kings of art rock, a "pretentious" artist who are seen as self-indulgent at times, like a modern day version of '70s prog. But Radiohead also were very careful to limit the lengths of their songs. For the first 20 years of their career, they never created any song that went over 6 and a half minutes, and only one song that went over 6 min, Paranoid Android. Since the early 2010s, they've loosened up slightly, creating one song that is slightly over 7 min (ironically, it's also one of their dancier, more upbeat and earwormy and happy, almost Coldplay-like songs, Supercollider, so you barely notice the length) and another song over 6 min (Daydreaming, which is more portentous and typical of "art rock") but that still means they only have three recorded songs over 6 min, in a career that now spans hundreds of songs.

That's not an accident. It happened because the band relentlessly edited their own work, to avoid moments of indulgence. The band's biggest fear was wasting people's time in the way they felt some of the '70s prog bands (hated by the punk/postpunk scene both Green Day and Radiohead grew out of) had done. I think tbh, we could use more of that attitude today, when so many artists like Swans are bringing back these ridiculous song and album lengths. Shit, maybe if Solange wants to make a 30 min song I'll be ok with that, but I don't have time to listen to some rapist hipster bro braying like a horse for 30 min pretending he's making an Important Statement.