The issue is that there is a fundamental disagreement about society at it's core and how that should be shaped. This conversation is a direct example of that.

Should humanity act like a beehive, individualism is unimportant, only the hive shall thrive. Or should it be more important that the individual has whatever freedoms they choose, even if that means an incoherent path forward and potential ruin for individual interests.

If beehives sound fun, preventing unnecessary medical needs by prohibiting harmful vices can cause an increase to the productivity and health of the hive.

If individualism is more important, it should be allowed for a person to fail, even if that failure causes decay and potential ruin.

I'm not really picking sides on this, I hate that there doesn't seem to be a weighted slider on this one, it's more of a radio button choice.