McGill University Gym: Women-only hours or not?

A few points:

  • Let me get this out of the way - /u/BurtKocain looks like a very dislikeable person, I'm not trying to defend him or his comment as appropriate.

  • I was not passing judgement on this specific comment by /u/beanwavves, just making a note about the rhetoric she's using, and how effective it's likely to ever be outside of a radfem environment. This isn't an empathy thing.

  • The start of /u/BurtKocain's comment is an appeal to realism, then there's some criticism of hasty generalization, followed by some arguments on ethics. Parts of it make sense, even if the tone isn't polite. /u/beanwavves disregards his entire laundry list and focuses on one sub-point, the "That is your problem" part.

  • As a white male who gravitates around feminist groups, I get that line a LOT. It usually comes with generous helpings of snark and venom, and it's always from a radfem. I'm told to suck it up and to "deal with it", I get shown that my problems as male, as an ally or even as a non-visible minority don't matter because I'm not black, native, female or gay. Excuse me if I'm thoroughly disillusioned with radfems - to me, those groups feel as cruel and manipulative as high school cliques, and there's no evidence that they're "fighting the good fight", if they're fighting a fight AT ALL.

  • I don't know where you've gotten your analysis of me from. My issue with McGill is 100% culture clash, and it's just as much my fault as it is everyone else's. I've never voiced serious complaints about how SSMU was run, and my only gripe with preppy types is their complete lack of fashion sense.

  • I don't see an "experience that doesn't fit the status quo" here, I see a woman who is incredibly scared of men, and who's trying to engineer public institutions into accommodating that neurosis, into validating it. It seems knee-jerk as fuck, and if you're not willing to consider cooperation, then I'm certainly not going to make a show of empathy for you, if only out of self-preservation.

If the issue here is that "men can't actually live with women and respect them", then we should be having that discussion before we decide to legislate on that basis.

See it from a game theory perspective - I'm not going to cooperate with a player, any player, whose first move is to defect. And that's radicalism, in a nutshell.

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