[OT] "I detest the two-faced who pretend liberality but are practiced bigots in their own mean little spheres." - Frank Sinatra

Dude are you fucking with me?

How can you subscribe to r/fatpeoplehate and then post this quote here?

I can understand being upset at some of the insane logic sometimes presented surrounding obesity but hate is bigotry.

They go hand in hand, so you are posting a quote encouraging liberal thoughts here but participating in a subreddit that radiates hate. It's in the fucking name.

Am I wrong? Can you claim to have these liberal values and belong to fat hate at the same time without being the two faced subject in the quote above?

Unless you believe that fat people deserve to be hated... which means that you think there are a group of people on this planet who SHOULD be hated for some reason. For instance I don't like fatpeoplehate but I don't direct hate towards them. Not shaming them or trying to do anything like that. I understand that the people in that subreddit have somehow come to believe fat people should be hated. That's pretty tragic imo. Not talking about fat acceptance or anything like that. I mean it's tragedy that we have such little empathy for each other that we can be ok with just hating people. Blind hatred is bigotry.

Any group of fat people that get together and hate others is guilty of the same thing of course but that's not where the glaring hypocrisy is right now. You posted this quote here while actively participating in a hate subreddit.... It's just mind blowing to see that little self awareness.

Call me out on being fat, I used to be morbidly obese until I stopped listening to hateful idiots. People had me believing I was worthless and lazy. That because I was fat I was somehow so beyond hope as to be hopeless. I was fat even as a kid. At 11 I attempted suicide in part because of the intense bullying I was receiving for being overweight. At 13 I was 230lbs. fatpeoplehate would cheer with joy at my suffering I'm sure, Knowing that some little hamplanet was crying in his bed drinking cleaner to end his gross fat existence.

I had to accept that I was that way. It really wasn't my fault. I wasn't a bad person for being obese. Blame was irrelevant to fixing the problem. I had to be compassionate to myself when I stumbled and I failed. I was well over 320lbs, don't know how much because I couldn't find a scale to tell me and I really didn't want to know. My last ditch effort was to cater to myself, indulge and just play games while being active. So I put my computer on a treadmill and lost 70lbs. Then I joined a gym and lost another 50lbs. Now I cycle regularly, including inter city trips. I workout daily and continue to maintain my active lifestyle and have kept the weight off for over 5 years now. I had to integrate activity into my lifestyle which is incredibly difficult at times.

I've posted my story other places and over the years thousands of pounds have been lost inspired by my weight loss. It's tapered out a bit but every once in awhile I will get contacted by someone who heard what I did and was inspired to mimic it. They lost XXX amount of weight and are thankful etc etc.

What I'm driving at here is stop being such a hateful bigot. Or keep doing it and stop posting quotes denouncing bigotry. Though Sinatra was a big of a bigot himself so maybe you are inline with what he meant. Don't hate the people I don't hate.

I understand the frustration from that subreddit. The people there aren't fat, they work at not being fat and are irked by the behavior of fat people. That's fine, it's totally acceptable to feel that way. The variety of human existence however combined with our current extra production means some people are going to live lives that make them fat and they will have less resources (social, emotional, financial) to adjust to that problem.

After losing my weight for instance I learned I had post traumatic stress disorder. That my weight gain has been caused by a tendency to binge in an effort to cope with trauma. No one when I was a kid explained to me that's how humans can behave if beaten and neglected. That I need to be aware of some of the more fucked up aspects of human behavior. Instead the people around me saw my behavior and appearance and attributed it to my character. Re-enforcing the issues I was having by telling me I was fat and therefore worthless. It's very likely that if my teachers and peers were more compassionate towards me when I was younger that I may have been able to figure out a bunch of this stuff out earlier in life.

Instead of hating fat people look at how we all live. For most of lifes history resources were scarce and it took massive work to do anything. We developed an appropriate reward system for finding high energy sources. The animals that had the stronger reaction and got more pleasure from the high calorie sources consumed more and had a better chance. We now have that same reward system but instead of an active lifestyle and scarcity we are inactive and have a fucking billion dollar industry (advertising) trying to convince people to consume more! These factors explain the obesity epidemic better than the behavior of any individual "hamlet". We lock up everything with private property laws. No one can go out and enjoy the world without needing to spend money first. Exercise is not fucking fun if you aren't fit. So once you are fat the best return for your money is to consume more. Making you fatter in return. We don't make active lifestyles easy and natural. You have to be incredibly motivated and or somewhat well off to support a lifestyle that results in.

You don't like fat people, I don't like people being unhappy and fat. We have a commonality. I want to do things that inspire that change, to help bring an end to this rampant fatness through cleverness and inspiration. You want those people to simply not exist and stop fating up your life. That's bigotry. Compassion is the opposite of bigotry, even when you don't understand something at the very minimum don't hate. You can not understand something but don't hate it.

TL;DR You post this quote here while being a verified member of a subreddit with "hate" towards a group of people specifically in the title. Compassion is the answer not hate.

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