We get it you see legitimacy in NATO and I don't. That's why nobody sees eye to eye with me or my positions except people of the same political spectrum which unfortunately is more Europeans and Latin Americans than Americans a right center to far right society. All I can say is picture if Canada joined an alliance with Russian militarism sending them weaponry and troops, while ignoring the USAs plea to negotiate before doing that. The USA is invading Canada. This is essentially what's happening here. Ukraine has been up for grabs and all types of foreign forces have been involved for years trying to sway them in one way or the other and it's the people of Ukraine who suffer. Let's also talk about how natos alleged agenda after the fall of the USSR was to ensure peace rather than combat communism. Did you know Russia reached out asking to join NATO to be a part of this alleged European peace keeping only to be told to go fuck yourself. Our stance against Russia has always only been "it's another powerful nation and there's only room for one powerful nation". Same with china. It's been this stance long before Russia was in war in Ukraine.