i'm not 100% anti vegan but come the fuck on.

have any of you all witnessed or considered what happens when a grain field is harvested? thousands of rabbits, voles, snakes, mice, bird nests, etc being brutally ripped to shreds?

aside from grains, unless youre running your own sustainable fruit/vegetable farm, you are also causing increased suffering to the underpaid laborers who pick your fruits and vegetables at a fraction of minimum wage.

so a cow getting a hole punched through its brain, dying in a couple seconds after a life of eating and fucking is more net suffering than human labor manipulation?

and yes, i know there are many industrial farms that mass-produce livestock and their living conditions are deplorable. ive seen the kfc chicken videos, and i love animals, it's heartbreaking. all im saying is that the suffering caused by mass-produced grains/vegetables/whatever the fuck you people eat is at least equal to that caused by the industrial meat industry.

cutting out industrial meat/animal products is one thing, cutting them out entirely? ridiculous.

now, if you want to debate environmental effects on the earth per calorie of raising a cow/chicken/pig versus fruit/veggie/grain, I'm totally open to that discussion. the question of suffering, on the other hand, is just a bullshit, tunnel-vision point of view.