This all really annoying, i think people should explain themselves to eachother better but when one side tries the other is just like why so hateful men often lie and so on to women to be "liked" or as i saw not socially stunted or whatever, i think men and women feel diffrently and think differently, to say men are objectifying women becuase of porn is stupid, your seeing men in a patriarchally sense men do not control the porn industry like that, what do you have to say about OF girls that not men objejectify women, its the opposite women objectifying themselves and to still blame men saying men shouldn't buy OF is stupid like its really annoying and seriously if i get downvoted or thought of as a incel im just really not going to care just talk to drugs instead no one cares to understand or really see how to care in my opinion, i get you want men to act and be a certain way and men will just--------------nvm sorry