Ehhh idk I apologize for saying it was rude. I read too much into saying "you are completely wrong." I never said there was any justification. But men should be held just as responsible when a pregnancy occurs. Not just accuse the woman by saying if you have sex deal with the consequences. Both people should deal, and it sucks that women are treated that way. I don't want either gender being told that, but if a certain part of society wants to say that to a woman, they need to acknowledge men have just as a big a role in conception. That leads to the bullshit statement saying a man's fate is out of his hands. It's connected to his responsibility in conception. So yes he had control in his fate.

Fuck! Abortions and miscarriages are different. I'm sick of this blasé attitude by men regarding miscarriages when they don't have to go through it! If men could get pregnant, abortions would have been legalized along time ago. If men could get pregnant, they wouldn't have such flippant attitudes about miscarriages. Men don't have to deal with it so they don't truly understand. If he wanted an abortion and said so in his OP, I wouldn't have batted an eye. That's what abortions are for. But wishing a miscarriage IS DISGUSTING. We won't agree on this issue. Men just don't get it. So please stop acting like they are the same when men don't have to fucking go though either. I get it, men don't have much say. It sucks. But think of what would happen if men could get pregnant. They would have all the say and wouldn't give a shit about the woman's opinion. This isn't a black and white issue. Of course men should get a say regarding his child, but women have to deal with the consequences of pregnancy. It's not fair for the woman to have the final say, but it's not fair for a man to choose for the woman when men don't assume any of the risks and physical/emotional issues of pregnancy. There is no clear answer. Women can die from child birth. They can lose the ability to have future children. Their bodies change. Their emotions are all over the place. They can develop PPD. They have to deal with all of that, while men just sit on the sidelines (they obviously can't help it, but still) giving their opinions. So yes, I have to side with women having a final say. If roles were reversed, men would feel the same. Once that child is born, the father (as long as he's not abusive or a druggie) should absolutely have equal say in that child, though.