Being threatened by cis men?

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I did nothing aggressive. Saying I’m not girly also isn’t the same as saying I’m aggressive. I said I did nothing at all.

But you said:

and fit masculine stereotypes.

Just because you don't perceive an action as an aggression (ie: holding eye contact for too long or being too direct), doesn't mean that it isn't going to be taken as one, especially by someone who's already looking for a reason to be aggressive in the first place.

I think Caucasian or not, really there’s no difference between cis and trans mannerisms and actions.

There's absolutely differences between trans mannerisms and actions and cis mannerisms and actions. Behavior is learned. The amount of time someone has been actively presenting as female or male is going to be a huge factor in how that behavior is perceived, especially early on, as many behaviors end up being exaggerated as a form of overcompensation.

I didn't rule out anyone? What? Anyways, I specifically mentioned cis african american men for being hostile towards perceived homosexual behavior because there's a pronounced lack of acceptance for homosexuality from a cultural standpoint. For decades this has been the case and it still hasn't gotten much better, look for instance at all the furor surrounding Lil Nas X coming out. There's less acceptance.

Regardless of if someone falls in the category of POC or Caucasian, anyone can pick fights as an act of hate, I think it’s more of a maturity thing than ethnicity.

Views are shaped by upbringing, familial values, cultural values, belief systems, and dozens of other factors; so what is going to define "stereotypical" behavior for a cis male is absolutely going to be influenced by all of these other factors. Pretending that it isn't is naive.

I LOOK and SOUND masculine in case you haven’t noticed. I have masculine mannerisms which means how I carry myself, how I talk, how I stand. I DRESS masculine, meaning I don’t wear certain colors/clothing that are considered in this society effeminate.

Also, on the job I would be fired for displaying aggression to make a customer uncomfortable because corporate is accessible to anyone. Also there is yelp and my boss & district boss’ business card with their phone number, as well as shift supervisors. I’m good at customer service and making drinks, why do you think he comes back?

I’ve said nothing about aggression, except for the undeserved display he gives me.

Just to be clear, aggression or something being perceived as an aggression is more than just acts of violence. The way you look at someone, the way you present your body, your stance, your tone, your choice of language can all be perceived as aggressive behavior.

One of the most common things I've heard from male POC in regards to traffic stops is that they were particularly sensitive to making sure they didn't seem aggressive and took extra steps to appear harmless, because of the very real threat of seemingly innocuous behavior being taken as an aggression and ending up dead for it.

I'm aware you didn't say anything about you being aggressive, I was stating that even passively aggressive behavior or behavior that you don't perceive as aggressive can invoke an aggressive response. It doesn't have to be some bold, grand action. Ever have someone ask you "the fuck you looking at?" because you made eye contact? It happens.

I was trying to look at the reason why you might have encountered this. Your question was whether or not it's normal to be threatened by cis men; I was trying to gain additional insight into the situation because there's nearly always additional factors that influence people's behavior. Is that normal behavior in general? No, which means there's more to it than that.

When I said " Cis african american men tend to be generally hostile to males that they perceive as effeminate or potentially homosexual.", I wasn't aware you were FTM and was making an uninformed generalization. I can see that you present very masculine and you sound very masculine, so yeah, that clearly doesn't have anything to do with it. I'm not questioning your masculinity and I'm sorry it was taken that way.

If anything, these additional details lend credence to the other route I was going, which would be that, given you're fairly young and fairly early on in your transition, is there the slightest possibility that your masculine mannerisms could be at all exaggerated? For example, if you watch an MTF talking early in their transition, their hands tend to be all over the place and the adjusting the hair behind the ears and stuff is always excessive.

The compensating factor could -seem- aggressive, especially to someone who's specifically looking for something to be aggressive about. That's the point I was trying to make. I'm not attacking you, I was ruminating, so please don't take the things I say personally. I like to think of the "whys" behind things, that's all.

All that said, regardless of the dude's reason, that behavior isn't acceptable (guess I should have lead with that, or elaborated a little bit). It's all good man, sorry I wasn't more clear about what I was trying to say initially. I had a more complete thought going on inside my head and my initial comment didn't quite reflect that, so my bad.

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