I mean, I suppose we could go back and forth with what I know and don't know, it's just a little ridiculous to throw out all these hypotheticals. I get the point. As someone who was raised by an incredibly covert narcissist, I don't really need it explained to me. Thank you for reiterating your point. I agree with you, it's just a bit condescending. I was literally abused by a covert narc for my entire childhood. I was simply stating that this girl has told me directly that she has not suffered any type of abuse and that I've been privy to her home life for a long time. I understand that this all means nothing, I was only trying to clarify our differences in upbringing and to highlight that she has stated several times that her parents are not what would be considered abusive by any standards. It's alright for a person to not have an abusive past to explain all of their behavior. That was my point, was that she has stated and acknowledged that her undesirable behavior isn't rooted in abuse. I wasn't trying to imply that she has never been abused or that it isn't a possibility, just filling in the situation a bit more. Sorry for stepping on any toes. Again, I do agree with what you're saying. Sorry if I wasn't clear.