Holy shit, EA, this is *dark*

I'm tired of your lousy arguments so here's it really short

1) Owning property is not a human right

2) Communism is actually very good for our human rights, considering it provides free he Moalthcare and education.

3) There have been plenty of examples of the capitalist system being forced on other countries as well. Cuba, for example. (US blocking their trade, for example?)

4) Most "existing, well-of societies" nowadays already have communist ideas implemented, though often in the form of socialist ideas (which are similar). You clearly do not know your European history if you think things were "well off" in Europe for the workers, during the time communism was introduced as a response to the blatant abuse by factory owners.

5) Communism is succesful in Cuba; the illiteracy there is eradicated and they have free healthcare. Both are achieved since the revolution. It started out shit and is now doing ok, proving that communism is also a viable form of government...

6) Also, about your "capitalism doesn't require violence", you're obviously ignoring what capitalists have done in Africa, again.

7) The government does nationalize all PRIVATELY OWNED properties, but it makes them avaible for all to use... so while in capitalism resources could be owned by a single person, in communism that resources is owned by society in general; that is the far opposite of "evil" and "immoral"

To be fair, I acknowledge the revolutionary aspect Marx proposed was too idealistic, and because of that I'm a socialist; strive towards the greatest equality possible and through peaceful, legal change. A revolution is the people's last resort...

You've, however, shown not only that you do not know Marx' writings but also the historical context in which communism came to be; if it seems extreme to us now, it's because we have a fairly well balanced society, partly due those socialists/communists advocating the rights of the common people. You don't even seem to understand communism itself that well.

In Belgium, only after socialists strikes there was general voting right... Only the rich could vote before. How is that not "immoral"?

Again, blaming a theory of ultimate equality amongst all for the mass murders committed by crazy tyrants is ridiculous. It'd be like blaming Jesus' preachings of brotherly love for the atrocities the Catholic Church has committed. It is true that the USSR and China totally botched communism, and that their ATTEMPT to put a theory into practice failed.

This does not make the original theory "evil" in any way.

Don't forget that communism was basically lined out by a philosopher, and it started off as a very general theory and ideal.

From Marx ideas have sprung various different "perceptions" of how his theories should be put in practice; the USSR and China's communism are considered separate communist theories, Leninism and Maoism it's called, look it up. Those theories were rubbish.

However, socialism and communism in general aren't bad at all, and socialism has proven to be very succesful in Europe.

The original stance was that communism in general caused those atrocities; and that's complete and utter bullshit.

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