Did I say I disagree with his Guilt? No I did not, I simply am explaining to you why some people in this particular sub in this particular instance might say innocent until proven guilty, because they didn't know all the facts about what was happening for years, or did you not bother to read my post until the end when I clearly mentioned this? Will that innocent until proven guilty stop now that everything has been released on this sub has now, most likely, been seen by everyone, yes it will but when this post first came out and you first posted your comment I do believe not a lot of people knew what was going on in the first place. Furthermore to address your first point, those exceptions are the reason why proven until guilty is upheld, because there are exceptions. Once again, do I, whom knew about most of this beforehand, think he is guilt and should rot in prison, of course; two, did a lot of people know about this before today and for those whom knew a little did they know to the extent and what was happening and how serious this case really is, no they did not until today; three, the exceptions are the reason people uphold the proven until guilty saying because they don't want another Johnny Depp; four, now that people know the extent of his doings will they now condemn him more thoroughly, yes of course they will. Anyways I leave you with this cunt.