I read the thread, I may not be as articulate as both of you but I can tell you how I feel in a subjective manner. I was never into politics, thought there was nothing in it for me. Then came Obama a supposed progressive.
Was very exciting and finally we will have a great president. He will change a lot and move the country into the future. Of course I knew that it wouldn't happen right away so I forgot about it and hoped for the best. The key was that I forgot about it, I forgot about it because he no longer engaged me or the American people.
He was no longer a progressive and I imagine he had to "take care" of his donors of his super PAC. You think the Obama of 2008 would have passed the TPP? You think the Obama of 2008 thinks Obamacare is good enough? I know he has to answer to the house and Senate and work together. He had 2 years with it.
If he just worried about the people he would have kept the house and Senate but he didn't engage anymore, he was defeated. Now you have a 74 year old democratic socialist who is the truly progressive. He has more energy and fight then Obama had. No superPAC hanging over his head.
People believe in him enough to invest their money. He raised more then Clinton(the establishment candidate) last month. If that doesn't tell you how invested the people are I don't know what will. People (me included) think he can motivate America to solve the problems together. I can see him giving those speeches as president guiding us to something. Even if he doesn't fully succeed. He will have moved the party farther to the left and will most certainly do a better job then Clinton can ever.
Everyone sees Clinton as a moderate center if not leaning right. I don't even know politics that well and I can see it. And as sad as it sounds I'd rather trump take office before her. She had her shot and she blew it with scandal after scandal. Accepting money from questionable sources and even Warren has said she has worked for the interest of the banks. And she has a cloud over her head about Emails, Emails, she's thinks she's so untouchable and that the public is stupid.
She invokes Obama or 911 or that's she's a woman or I don't knows everytime she's hit with a hard question. She's lost her integrity and she doesn't even know it.
So as I said before this is an objective view from a person finally engaged after 6 years of letting go of the whole system. I hope you can see where I'm coming from as I do see exactly where you are on the matter. Thanks for your time.