Serious question: what is the "ideal" legislation that gun control advocates want, their ultimate goal?

I think we just have a very different idea about how the world operates.

I think we have already lost much more from the fact that we used torture than we could ever gain from a hypothetical scenario where it has saved lives.

I don't think us having nuclear weapons is a meaningful deterrent to rogue states using any they might acquire. We can retaliate in many equally consequential ways. I also don't think retaliating with nuclear force is ever a useful option.

I have been assaulted. A guy basically tried to kill me by hitting me in the head with a pipe. It only reinforced my views on criminal justice and in fact made me even more extreme. That's mostly because our criminal justice system does more to foster violence than it does to mitigate it but that's a different topic.

We would be much safer if every pistol was exchanged for a zip gun.

I would be fine to have specially trained law enforcement who can use weapons in the extreme and rare circumstances where that would actually lead to a better outcome. I believe that in the vast majority of instances where a regular cop draws their gun they are creating more danger than if they were forced to use other options. Cops routinely escalate situations into violence because they have the option of deadly force.

Cops have guns now and can't stop gangs. Gangs already take over entire neighborhoods. Solving this problem with weapons has already failed.

Banning gun sales and instituting highly incentivized programs to remove existing guns from circulation would have a massive effect on the availability of guns for use in criminal acts. The black market of smuggled guns will never be able to match the rate at which we simply sell guns over the counter in the US today. Many people will have to use less efficient tools when they want to kill someone which will slow down the death toll.

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