I want you to try and look at my examples from a bigger perspective. It doesn't have to be nazis, or fascists or whatever, that's just extreme examples of unwantable governmental forms. The fact is that it becomes harder to critize the government when whistleblowing is punished so severely, for example.

Apparently you're only interacting with teenagers. Political participation is far from a simple metric and saying "People don't care" is basically code for "People don't agree with me, so they must be ignorant". Have you ever considered that they might be aware of things and simply interpret them differently than you?

Honestly no, a lot of people don't care. Most of the people who use the "I have nothing to hide" argument don't really care. They haven't given the problem thought beyond its immediate effects on them. I can understand that, not everyone has time to ponder the effects of every law passed in every country in the world. I don't really look into what laws are passed concerned the financial sector even though I would probably be a bit pissed off if I really did too.

As for the people who want less privacy for all, and have given the problem thought. I don't think they truly understand what these systems are capable of, and what they will be capable of in the future. I'm not talking about what they will be capable of if they're in the hands of fascists. I'm simply talking about what the systems will be able to do, autonomously, when given more and more data with more and more advanced algorithms sweeping through it.

I think the threat of terrorism scares these people more than the threat of what these systems will be capable of. It's the reverse for me. I'm really not scared of terrorism, at all. On the other hand, I'm very concerned about the prospect of seeing the surveillance systems evolve. Because I know a thing or two about what is currently possible, and what will be possible in the near future.

If you know these things, and you are still in favor of eliminating privacy, then I truly don't understand. I really don't, but of course people have a right to disagree with my sentiment.

Apart from that, you're right about everything. I'm fishing for arguments and they're not really good, but you seem unwilling to consider the potential long term effects. I don't see a reason to make such huge alterations to the way we consider privacy a fundamental right, just because relatively few people have been killed in terrorist attacks on western soil.

I am all for carrying out intelligence operations in foreign countries. That's no problem, just protection of national interests and assets. My problem is when the people ruling over your day to day life also wield this potential leverage against you. It doesn't matter that the US holds information about [insert name here] in [insert non-US country here] because they don't have any, other than diplomatic, power in the country where (s)he lives. However, this is also getting worse.

I guess it all comes down to the fact that you trust generations of people to wield this huge amount of power with the required responsibility and discipline, while I don't.