philosophers go pretty deep into that topic.. if i were to boil a lot of it down here, it'd be that a) you make the choice for the child and thus it is an act of total manipulation and b) the presence of suffering is bad; the absence of suffering is good (even if there's nobody around to experience it (putting things out of their misery)); the presence of pleasure is good; the absence of pleasure is neither good nor bad. so apparently the scales are tipped. either way you're bringing a being here to suffer without its consent and there isn't an ethical basis for that action. sucks that all the cultures and religions based on antinatalism died out, hah, so we're only left with the staunch breeders.

also, where the fuck is this joy you talk about. i've been in this shithole for 12,000 days without any. I'm willing to admit some people may get their jollies from this life, but I'm fucking salty af about being here.