Accidental eclipsing when co-fronting

Hah. Shall I take you down the "what counts as 'real' in the context of the mind?" hole?

"Would you like me to dive into a hole of fantasies so I can justify the things I feel being stated as if they are reality?"

. If you fear not being able to do something, or believe you cannot do something, it will significantly hinder your ability to do that something. Making a tulpa is doubly applicable, not only in the standard sense, but in the sense that creating one requires one to willfully dissociate, hence, hold a belief.

Assuming tulpa are a thing created by a habit, a common mindset driven by routine. Assuming tulpa are their own "persons" separate and developing on their own in the mind, why would belief have an impact?

For most things, it's a matter of belief giving someone the will to go on, to push forward. It doesn't, however, change if someone can accomplish something on an objective level.

Tulpa seem to be more belief based than routine or development based. To the point that simply believing can have some with tulpa in the first week, while it takes others months.

The brain scan by itself demonstrates only this: that switching as an experience is something that is not simply willfully "made up", as you appeared to insinuate.

Possibilities:

A) switching is the act of the brain passing control of itself to a different entitity, who has a different set of expierences, mental abilities, personality, and so on.

B) Switching is acting

C) Switching is the act of a person not actually switching places with anything, but instead a person driven to feel and act a certain way through things such as peer pressure, expectations, and other numerous sources of bias. The ability for the brain to create and identify it's own thoughts has been shown to be able to be flawed in the past, and it is very much in the real of possibility that what is being seen is not actual switching, but instead one big delusion.

This isn't a case of someone "faking it" just like those at an ouja board aren't "faking it". I never said people are deliberately and consciously making themselves act in the way they do. The case is one that is far more subtle, and far more dangerous.

Also, note my wording again: the experience of switching exists. We don't know the mechanisms, but we can definitely say the experience exists.

The experience of me flying around on a magic carpet exists when I am dreaming. It doesn't mean we should take seriously those who say magic carpets or alternate worlds exist in the mind.

Saying "the experience exists" means nothing. It's like saying "the experience of god exists". Sure, but that doesn't prove shit. I am not concerned with the experience, I am concerned with objective, verifiable, truth.

Except that tulpamancy impacts only the activity within the brain.

My point is that all the examples I gave are experienced by those who say they are true. People actually feel that they do the things I described. They feel that it is true.

Secondly, "only impacts the brain" is less of a statement or a difference than you would think, when talking about tulpa. Assuming your idea of tulpa is that of a fully separate, fully conscious, entity. Something that, so far as I am aware, would all but require dedicated regions of processing to exist and run alongside yourself.

And how exactly can you declare that they "aren't actually as they seem", given that, again, we don't know what's going on?

We do not know how gravity works. However, we can observe it's effects and use those effects to make inferences about gravity itself. Make a model, predict actions, and if the actions fit the model, you have a decent one.

We can't prove what tulpa are, but we can look at how tulpa function, how tulpa develop, how the community creates and treats tulpa. Those things can be used to infer things about tulpa, just as we can infer the laws of physics by observing the things they act on.

Even if the brain's multitasking abilities are poor, the experience of tulpamancers and multiples shows that it is in fact possible to create an experience that is either the experience of hosting multiple minds or indistinguishable from it.

I do not deny this. My entire basis for remaining in the community is that I know the experience can exist, and is incredibly cool to use and abuse, after all.

However, again, the experience existing means little. Especially when you are trying to make predictions, trying to streamline the process of making tulpa, trying to predict the courses of actions and words you can say that will help people create tulpa without falling to the "multiples mindset" and fucking themselves over as their tulpa go rouge, or disappear, or worry about killing their tulpa and being a monster drive a person to depression.

It's not tulpa that are inherently dangerous. It's not the practice that is inherently dangerous. It's the falsehoods and the exaggerations. The lies. Those are what is dangerous. That's what saying "the experience exists" causes in the long run. The mindset kills people every year.

In addition--again, we don't know how much of a brain is devoted to the "person", or indeed, what processes give rise to a "person".

Again, we can model and predict things.

Take for instance, how altering the chemicals in the brain can alter the way a person acts. That dain bramage can cause a person to suddenly develop new likes or hate old ones. Those are big indicators that the brain, the "person" is the combination of all the parts of the mind acting in tandem, not some separate or secluded region that sits on it's own and can be removed for the mind as the mind can be removed from the body.

First of all: something being "weird" does not make it false or misleading.

I wasn't making that connection, see above for where I do make the false and misleading connections.

So in other words, your opinion should dictate the choices of others.

I will stand by and fight for the best and most ideal world. I do not expect, and would not force others to change their minds, or say different things, but I sure as hell won't hesitate to let them know how wrong they are.

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