How long before the Tennessee legislature's attacks on LBGTQ rights and women's rights start costing the state financially.

I notice you seem to have missed Mr. Trump's speech both times I've mentioned it, strange. (Edited to add there seems to be a reference to Trump in the previous comment now. I'll admit I may have missed it but it seems odd... thankfully all that was said/added was that we shouldn't listen to Trump but instead Desantis maybe? Yeah...)

That is rather disingenuous Jamie, since you have ignored almost every question I have asked you have cherry picked my comments, ignoring about 75% of what I have written. On top of that, you have completely ignored the main points as you search for something to disagree with. Trump's best chance of winning in 2024 comes from people like you amping up the narrative enough the moderates say "those guys are full of shit" and vote for him. If people are objective and call Trump out on what is provably his bullshit and drop the rest, there is hope some sanity prevails. I have little hope after conversations in here.

If that bill were to be enacted, insurance companies would be forced to choose between providing trans affirming care, at any age, in any state if they wanted to contract with Tenncare.

I am assuming you are not understanding, so let's distill this down.

  1. States are not in the insurance business, but have cash set aside, by them and the Federal governments, to help people who are in the lower socioeconomic rungs. The Federal program is Medicaid and modeled somewhat around Medicare. But, each state has their own Medicade program. Ours is TennCare.

  2. States can managed their own Medicaid programs, but not having insurance backgrounds, they hire insurance companies. In this case, the insurance company uses the networks it has to get healthcare providers into pools for TennCare. The money to pay the providers comes from the states funds.

  3. States have a certain amount of money, between what they set aside, and what the Federal government puts in, so they negotiate with the MCOs on certain types of care. Emergency care is fairly standard across all states, but one state may opt to restrict some care.

  4. HB1215 restricts MCOs from setting up plans that fund types of care outlined in the bill. You can read the bill, but the gist is no surgeries, hormones, drugs, etc. to help someone express themselves as a gender that does not match their biology. We will call this trans care from here on.

What the bill does not do

  • Prohibit MCOs from funding trans care in other states. I.e. you statement "insurance companies would be forced to choose between providing trans affirming care, at any age, in any state" is ignorant, as this is not a provision of HB1215.

  • Prohibit private insurance from covering trans care.

  • Prohibit trans individuals from funding their own care.

  • Prohibit doctors from prescribing trans care to patients.

It just says, you can't use our money pool to pay for trans care. Everything else you have projected is incorrect. Yet, you continue to assert it.

I suppose you also missed the bills I cited banning gender affirming care up to age 26.

I only saw HB1215, which you are wrong about, but continue to tout. Which other bills did you cite?

First, you are asking a group of people who are bearing the brunt of the right wing hate machine to stand up, identify themselves as trans, and then demand that the "people on their side of the issue that are pushing to extremes" stop doing what exactly? What is this bridge too far? Letting a teenager take puberty blockers? Letting a parent, doctor, and child determine the best course of treatment? Well, to be fair you are only asking the smart ones, for what that's worth.

I am asking people, in general, to stop seeing people with different ideas on how they live their lives as "hate machines". We humans are more alike than different. We bleed. We love our families and friends. We want to do well by our communities. We want to be able to live our lives without people spewing hate at us. We are not in a country where nearly half the country is some evil hoard of troglodytes. You assertion here is false, as is the assertion against "your side" I see from the right. If you are not willing to be part of the solution of figuring out how we can find a middle ground, you are part of the problem.

Until all of my friends and neighbors can live their lives in peace without fear of persecution for being themselves, this is a fight. They didn't ask for this fight, and they can't fight it alone.

Do you realize the persecution is going in both directions? Probably not, because you see your "side" justified in their actions. So do the people on the "other side". Thus, the volume continues to go up. And, over time, everything is seen as a form of persecution. Eventually, it does come down to fighting, including physical assault. When striking first and assaulting people physically becomes justifiable, we cross a line. In 2016, when violence broke out at demonstrations, the Berkeley paper wrote editorials how physically striking Conservatives with weapons was a form of self-defense as their very thoughts and words were a form of assault. When we begin justifying physical violence against people as self-defense because they disagree with your viewpoint, we have sunk to a new low.

As I enter into conversations like this, I see the left pointing out their ogres, like White Supremacists, trans-bigots, etc. as people we should have the right to silence through whatever means possible. On the right, the ogres are Antifa and similar groups. But the labeling does not end with identifying members of the group as those who should be subject to violence. As the idea percolates, it spreads from [Fascists|Socialists|etc.] to the boogie man group plus those we identify as supporters. Then to those in those groups plus anyone not speaking out. And, ultimately, we identify half the country as people who are subhuman enough to warrant violence as a form of "self-defense". It does not take long to include moderates, or centrists, as part of that group.

In response, a few people say, "fuck you and your labels" and continue to hold their ground. Most focus on which tribe they feel safest in, the right or the left, and move towards extremes. I believe there is still hope before we cross the final threshold, but I am in the process of losing that hope having conversations like this, where this wonderful, very colorful world, is reduced to black and white, with no shades of grey. I see opposites that are not opposite and a wide swath of people viewing people they don't know as their enemies. So, fight on, continue to be part of that problem. Or change.

I am not your enemy. I just disagree with a lot of what you have written, especially when you continue to bask in ignorance about things you know nothing about. As one example, I provided some time in this response and outlined how MCOs work and what HB1215 does. I added a lot of detail, hoping you will start to examine your false beliefs and become part of the solution. It is your choice to learn it or ignore it. I suppose you will continue to "fight" instead of learning.

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