I'm assuming innocents if that's what you mean. It's not like there any actual evidence to go on.
We are not even talking about this specific case anymore. You are not just assuming innocence*, you are assuming guilt of all the women involved. Guilt of lying and conspiring to ruin someone's life. You are not passively saying we need to wait on evidence, you are talking about them all lying and conspiring.
What have they risked?
Do I really need to explain to you how it's risky for young unkown women in hollywood to speak out against powerful men?
Saying they are victims is starting with the conclusion.
No bro, try reading closer. You just labeled all women in show business as 'attention whores' in order to discredit an entire group of people. That group obviously involves some actual victims. But by saying they are all attention whores you discredit them.
A. lie and say she told you the story years ago to help her case and deflect from the people calling her a liar or B. Come out and say that she mentioned anything adding to the case that she's a liar? The vast majority of people would pick A.
Once again you're just fucking making up narratives! If people close to them say they can corroborate the story from years ago, you just assume they are liars too.
I've explained to you reasons women would lie about being raped after you fucking asked for reasons and then you call me a horrible person for it and assuming the worse while you are actually assuming the worst about the people accused and throwing away innocent until proven guilty.
1) Yeah you give shitty reasons for explaining why so many women would all be lying. Why one woman might hypothetically be lying? Sure. But as an explanation for the given situation? Shit reason, shit argument.
2) I just explained to you how criminal court works. You shouldn't just throw people in jail without evidence. Don't try to put that on me.
I mean you kind of are advocating for witch hunts and destroying careers, or is your line 2 baseless accusations or more, 1 just isn't enough
No I'm not. I'm saying people can and should make decisions based on everything that they have in front of them. If people decide based on looking at all the accusation case by case and based on their knowledge of Harvey Weinstein that they shouldn't work with him then that's a reasonable if not difficult decision to make.
What you are saying is that we should assume guilt of one party at the expense of the other in all cases unless the burden of criminal court can be met. That's not even the case for civil court.
Show me evidence it happened. You say everything that has come out but the vast majority of that is just baseless accusations.
In the Cosby case? Yeah tons of women coming forward with similar stores, many of which have nothing to personally gain from coming forward and no chance of Cosby being convicted criminally is equal to "baseless".
You realize the men have more to lose from raping women right?
And yet it happens all the fucking time. Rape and sexual assault are disgustingly common. And it's unfortunately very hard to provide evidence for, so most incidents necessarily go unpunished because we must have a high burden of proof to convict people of crimes. And yet, it's still very common.
Also again cite me a women who's career has suffered from making baseless rape accusations in the last few years.
I mean there are a number of examples recently of women being convinced of making false accusations. Which I fully support because that's entirely fucked up.
Most people are not so fucking crazy that they are willing to rape and ruin someones life. The fact that you think it's so likely shows me you probably have a fucked up view of men in general if you think so lowly of 50% of the population.
Nice try at the lazy false equivalency. As I said, rape and sexual assault are disturbingly common. Not in the sense that a large number of men commit these acts, but a large number of women experience them.
Do you imagine the number of men who have been falsely accused is anywhere near the number of women who have been sexually assaulted or raped? Honestly ask yourself that.
There are tons of people willing to lie about rape though
And do you have any evidence for that other than your unhealthy relationship with women?
Regret = rape is also a huge thing.
Again, have any evidence for this being a "huge thing" or do you just get your view of society and women from fringe feminist blogs? Because let me tell, for most women that is absolutely not a thing. Maybe try actually knowing some women. Don't worry, you are not in grave danger of being falsely accused by some demented feminist. You can sleep at night.
The vast majority of the shit coming out about Weinstein isn't rape or even sexual assault just really creepy behavior if you go by what they actually said
Yeah that's why they're not all calling him a rapist. But the conduct is still disgusting and he was dropped because of it.