"Marriage for everyone doesn't equal a traditional marriage, in fact it's rare those days so saying a woman has to be a virgin in order to get married is calling for traditionalism and doesn't fit in with our society."

marriage is a traditionalist idea. expecting women to stay virgins is traditionalist idea. i don't expect women to stay virgins and theres no way im getting married. totally consistent, not a traditionalist.

i don't live up to traditional gender norms, and i don't expect women to either. hows that hypocritical?

however, hypothetically, if i did hold women to traditional gender norms i would also hold myself to traditional standards of behavior, thats just fair. the problem is that there are no traditional ladies in our society and the rewards of marriage have been removed.

thats why mgtows don't get married. because we don't live in a traditional society. thats the point.

your second paragraph is something i never said. its something that you invented. its made up. nobody made that argument.

the third paragraph missed the point completely. i don't care which is worse. theyre both traditionalist double standards. women don't want to act like ladies im not going to treat them like ladies. equality