Witnesses: Several people shot at church in Sutherland Springs

The right to self preservation and consensual governance is one of the single most important rights we have.

And guns don't help with either of those rights. Did guns preserve any of the 26 dead? One of which was a 14 month old baby? Nope, quite the opposite. And again it's laughable if you think your piddling firearms help prevent tyranny when any prospective tyrant has access to drone strikes.

when in reality nothing you have proposed would be effective

On what grounds? The only reason it will never be effective is because it will never be implemented.

There are more guns than people in the United States.

Not something to be proud of considering recent events.

Making them more difficult to obtain is not going to work as the gun lobby is too powerful (as it should be).

Again your argument here is basically "making them more difficult to obtain will never work because we'll never make them more difficult to obtain". That's like arguing a ball won't bounce because you'll never drop it.

You have no constitutional case to ban guns.

Who the fuck cares? The constitution was penned over 200 years ago. It's ridiculous that people act like every part of it is perfect and infallible and timeless. The 18th amendment was repealed, the 2nd could be too if enough Americans actually cared more about people than their murder toys and their freedumbs.

Enforcing a gun ban is only possible under a tyrannical government which would be quickly overthrown by an armed populace.

I wasn't suggesting an outright ban. So quit with this strawman argument. I'm suggesting tightening gun control more and more over time (and it would need to be a long time in so far as the USA is concerned) until people don't want or can't afford to own guns anymore. Stricter licensing, stricter background checks, stricter rules on sales, stricter rules on transport and carry, increased tax on sale and manufacture, greater punishments for anyone who breaks these rules. Not all of these things all at once, but bit by bit, until owning a gun becomes too much of a pain in the ass for the average American.

In the UK they didn't ban people from smoking outright, but they did force them outside, they forced prices up, they increased age restrictions on sales, made smoking a less attractive vice. And what happened? A lot of people stopped smoking, and less and less of the younger generations are picking up the habit. The same could be done with the US and guns, over a much longer period, and probably with more resistance. But it could be done, again if anyone even gave a rats ass about how someone just flat out murdered a bunch of innocent people including children and babies.

The solution is not stripping people of their rights. The solution is addressing the reasons mass shootings are committed. Mental health, terrosism, bigotry, etc.

Hahahahahaha. Except mental health and bigotry are only just below guns in the list of issues the American government refuses to address. They only pay mental health lipservice whenever a mass shooting crops up so they can deflect attention away from the gun problem. But have they done anything about it? Nope. How do you expect a government that can't even sort out regular healthcare to tackle mental healthcare? And if you want to address bigotry you can't really do that when your CIC is a bigot.

But hey, keep pretending that you care. Maybe someone will be convinced.

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