[SPOILERS] Post-Episode Discussion - Season 8 Episode 4

Am I the only one who felt this episode was super predictable in like a super fan-service troupe driven way?

When John tells Sansa and araya to keep the secret I was sure by the end of it Varys or Tyrion were going to switch sides to Jon.

With the pan of the dragons flying over the sea I was literally waiting for the bolt to fly through the air and hit the dragon because it was directed in such an obvious fashion. Also projectiles in this series are either shot by gods for plot's sake or shot by blind people for plot's sake. So of course they go for 3/3 on the first shots fired and then like 0/20 on the next few.

With Missandei I was almost certain she was going to say "Burn them all". Close enough on that one I guess.

Also a bunch of characters seem, well, out of character. Like in no way should Bronn or Jamie act the way they did this episode. Like I know Bronn doesn't give too shets about other people, but in what world does he punch tyrion? Are the relationships and interactions he had all throughout the series really worth nothing at all? And in what world does Jamie go back to Cersei to help her? I could see him going back to kill her, but not help her. What was the point of this Jamie's entire character up to this point? "You Love who you Love?"

This episode just felt like a worse version of a random fan-fiction one of us scrubs on the internet wrote up, like what was that?

A lot happened, but I felt like they literally just killed off two beings that should have died last episode just to make Dany feel rightfully angry and hateful and make the "wrong decision". But at this point isn't it a better sign of a ruler to be willing to sacrifice a "few" (well, a lot) innocents to defeat a greater evil and be able to shoulder that sin? Like at this point I don't see any other options. I hope I'm wrong and they do find a "peaceful" solution I haven't thought up of and not just some random B.S scenario that makes me think "why didn't they just use the same plan/scenario for Dany instead of John?" Like what magical solution is there so that there aren't thousands of casualties? I'm sure there were probably hundreds of thousands if not millions of people that died up to this point for this moment itself. I'm not saying the goal is more important than the journey, but is the totality of the journey really going to change because you ended a blood ladened journey with relatively less blood shed compared to the amount spilled on the way here? Shouldn't these men who dreamed of and worked towards this moment their entire lives know what they might be on the brink of? And when they reach that goal what exactly forces them to embark on the new journey the way the old one was embarked on or ended for that matter. Aren't these the characters that spent 8 seasons talking about the way they would make the world the better place if only they were in power? But now they stand at the brink of their goal, with the ability to usher in that better world, they put their own moral compass above that? Are they that scared of losing themselves if they go through with this tragedy? That they would become ugly like the people they constantly hate and criticize? Don't they remember the things they been through? The questionable, dishonorable, evil, deceitful, and horrible things they have done and yet they still came out decent people? I'm not saying anyone in the real world is truly a good person, let alone in a medieval story like GoTs where they struggle with basic needs. But isn't this the whole point of the story? That decent good people do horrible things and that horrible people do decent things. That sometimes our actions carried out with good intent end terribly and that the world may label us in certain ways because of those results, but even then we can still be good people.

I have not forgotten any of the painfully flawed characters that have died in this series, but it seems like so many of these supposed people with dreams of a better world have forgotten. What exactly has everyone been fighting and dying for? Are these characters really now going to try to find a flower filled solution to this last obstacle?

I love GoTs, one of the few pieces of truly great fantasy stories out there, both the book and TV series, despite both their flaws. So seeing a series that illustrates the painfully ugly and flawed nature of people and practical consequences of that now have characters that suddenly try to strive for a flowery ending just feels wrong.

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